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« on: February 11, 2011, 10:08:08 pm »

Does anyone agree w/ her?

http://propagandalalaland.blogspot.com/2011/02/isnt-it-pity.html

She hates the FSP and shes frank about it. She also looks like one of those socialist anarchists.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 11:13:50 pm »

Does anyone agree w/ her?

I think she has a lot of good points while also making some sweeping generalizations about free-staters that aren't at all true for most of us.  Most of what I've experienced here are lots of people becoming more sociable than they've ever been and forming really healthy communities based on peaceful trade absent (most) statist interference.  But I can understand the message of wanting to be free from violent interference from statists could get misinterpreted by some as isolationist.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2011, 11:14:44 pm »

I'm not sure she has any idea what she believes. Or else what she's thinking is so alien to me I can't quite follow her logic. She certainly isn't a fan of copyrights and she seems to despise "stuff." If I were to label her I'd say she seems to be an irrational idealist. But I'm at a bit of a loss, maybe she's just an avid glue sniffer?
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2011, 11:57:36 pm »

Copyrights and land titles are subject to the State (collective).
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 12:48:24 am »

Copyrights and land titles are subject to the State (collective).


Just asking but do u agree with proudhon's definitions of property?
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 04:30:06 am »

I'm not sure she has any idea what she believes. Or else what she's thinking is so alien to me I can't quite follow her logic. She certainly isn't a fan of copyrights and she seems to despise "stuff." If I were to label her I'd say she seems to be an irrational idealist. But I'm at a bit of a loss, maybe she's just an avid glue sniffer?

She is a socialist anarchist. What do you expect?

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People like her exist in NH.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 01:29:52 pm »

People like her exist all over the world, and have for quite some time... what's your point?
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 01:44:36 pm »

Copyrights and land titles are subject to the State (collective).


Just asking but do u agree with proudhon's definitions of property?
Proudhon didn't define property. He theorized about natural property rights and their origin.
Proudhon was theorizing about the absences of government... not to mention it made him a bit confused as he grew older.

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 05:40:37 pm »

People like her exist all over the world, and have for quite some time... what's your point?


What happens if socialist anarchists like her flood into NH and undo everything the FSP has done?
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 01:12:45 am »

The FSP is just a bus.
The residents 'do things'. And for the most part, mutualists aren't even a vague threat.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 03:00:29 am »

The FSP is just a bus.
The residents 'do things'. And for the most part, mutualists aren't even a vague threat.


So what would mutualists do if they ever became active in large numbers? What would they be demanding? An end to capitalism like Proudhon wanted?
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 01:42:33 pm »

They might change the adverse possession, incorporation, and taxation statutes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 03:14:54 pm »

There are a few unfortunate social cults within the broader Free State Project movement.  The Keene Cult is particularly scary.  Real libertarians move to the middle of nowhere and don't meet with any other FSP'ers except on serious business.  Hell is other people.  The only conversations worth having are in written text.  Beyond that, socialization is a mental illness.
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 04:29:30 pm »

There are a few unfortunate social cults within the broader Free State Project movement.  The Keene Cult is particularly scary.  Real libertarians move to the middle of nowhere and don't meet with any other FSP'ers except on serious business.  Hell is other people.  The only conversations worth having are in written text.  Beyond that, socialization is a mental illness.


LOL glad we agree.

How would you deal w/ people like her? esp. since according to her profile she is from NH?
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 09:11:44 pm »

Most libertarians hold their beliefs out of a profound moral conviction, it is group overwhelmingly composed of sensitive an thoughtful people.  The author never addresses libertarian's fidelity to the non-aggression principle and instead engages in purely speculative ad hominem attacks regarding libertarian intentions.
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