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Alex Libman
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MSNBC news story: Police fear "war on cops" - at least 11 shot in 24 hours. There just was a shooting of a piglet from the New Jersey town where I'm currently staying (Lakewood), and coincidentally it was on the exact same spot where I was pulled over a few years ago (I-195 exit 16, an infamous speed trap). I imagine it was yet another routine case of highway bullying by a thug with a gun, but this time the victim defended himself... Of course I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'm obviously keeping my thoughts to myself IRL. Mass hysteria is sweeping the town, as can be expected, with huge crowds of support, vigils, and "RIP 317" signs everywhere. (That was the thug's badge number, apparently.) I don't plan on shopping in any of the stores that displayed those signs ever again. Of course a free society would still have private road rules and men enforcing them (or by that time possibly automated vehicle tracking and ticketing systems), but those rules would be subject to reality-based competitive restraints, and their enforcers won't be elevated to near-godhood. No one ever holds town square vigils for dead commercial fishermen, for example, who are engaged in a far more dangerous, masculine, and useful profession... I take no pleasure from seeing stories about dead cops, but there's definitely some strong emotion associated with all of this... Some shade of disgust... |
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It's only a small percentage of LEO's who are jerks and bullies. Because those few individuals are so active in hassling residents, it gives the false impression that all or most officers are no good.
In my experience, the majority of officers in New Hampshire are highly professional and put their emotions aside to perform their job to the utmost of their abilities.
As far as the law is concerned, every private citizen, public official, and officer should be treated the same under the law.
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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Alex Libman
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Yes, everyone not wearing an "RIP 317" button should be thrown in a psikhushka right away... And sharing one's honest feelings on the Internet... gigaplusthinkcrime!  Maybe that's what most people do, but I didn't start taking "meds" when I felt myself a helpless puppet who can be insulted, bullied, and squeezed for a few thousand bucks here and there, seemingly at random. I am a fast but very safe driver, and I never had any actual accidents (although I drove a lot during my yuppie days - clients and love interests in an area spanning all of NJ, Philly, and NYC metro areas). The road conditions made it perfectly rational to drive a bit faster than the rigid speed limits would allow. I also drove a lot at odd hours, which kind of singles you out - way too many piglets out at night trying to catch up with their ticketing quota. Spending two hours a day reminding yourself to obey stupid laws, suppress your natural instincts, and watch the speedometer every ten seconds was quite painful. After a few small futile stupid acts of "civil disobedience" (i.e. "failure" to renew the paperwork), I simply stopped driving - and you can imagine what that's like in suburbia, for someone with no friends to carpool with, not too much money for taxis, and a strong hatred for "public transportation"... A few "vacations" in Middle-Of-Nowhere, NH did not instill me with much hope for that endeavor either. Walking places, sometimes with heavy bags, sometimes for hours each way, is very good for one's physical health, but every time I see a pigmobile (which is like every 2 minutes here) I am still filled with hatred and fear. I cannot defend myself against their injustice toward me, but I'm not going to shed any tears when someone else does. It's only a small percentage of LEO's who are jerks and bullies. [...] |
Oh, contrary to Hollywood portrayals, many enforcers in places like the Soviet Union were very charismatic and polite as well. It helps maintain the illusion of earned authority, and that illusion is what's keeping the system in place. The system itself is a jerk and a bully, and anyone who serves it is scum by association. |
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"pigmobile"?
The average number of cops per thousand residents in Rockingham County is 1.7. To put that in perspective, that's current number of officers versus the lower 2000 Census figures. The actual number is probably closer to 1.5, or about the national average. Some parts of New Hampshire are worse, but I know that Rockingham County is not bad.
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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John Edward Mercier
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Generally because of studies like these.
Ever time I'm in a town meeting that debates the force size, they almost always bring up the number of officer per thousand residents in comparison to someplace else.
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Some parts of New Hampshire are worse, but I know that Rockingham County is not bad.
Is more cops good or bad? Or somewhere inbetween? |
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John Edward Mercier
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Inbetween (sic?).
Like all employees they have costs. And that equates to certain expectations of the taxpayers.
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Alex Libman
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Private security in homes, neighborhoods, businesses, etc - good.
Government cops or any other coercive monopoly - very bad.
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Some parts of New Hampshire are worse, but I know that Rockingham County is not bad.
Is more cops good or bad? Or somewhere inbetween? As far as I am aware, there is no correlation between number of cops per capita and crime rates. However, each additional cop costs taxpayers around $60,000 to $160,000 per year. So while there is no measurable positive of additionally cops in a community, there is a measurable negative. |
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John Edward Mercier
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Private security in homes, neighborhoods, businesses, etc - good.
Government cops or any other coercive monopoly - very bad.
So if I have my 'private security' take out your 'private security'... what happens then? |
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Alex Libman
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First of all, you'd be out several million (billion? trillion?) dollars right at the start of this scenario, because suicide missions don't come cheap, and even a small-sized security company is likely to have mutual defense agreements with other defense agencies, requiring an overwhelming force in order for you to "take out". Any security company gone rogue will find all of its competitors having the excuse to take it out, get a lot of positive PR, liquidate all of the aggressors' assets as restitution, and increase their customer base. In a free society, everyone watches everybody else, and with modern satellite video technology launching a secret attack is next to impossible. If somehow you succeed, however, then about 7 billion people who don't want to be slaves of your warlord agency would strongly consider taking some action, since what you've just done will be the #1 thing they'll be worried about, with no governments to distract them from considering threats to their security more rationally. They won't do it to save my butt, but ultimately their own.
On the other hand, if a "public" coercive monopoly in security (i.e. government) decides to come after you, well, I'm sure you've read 1984. They really can "throw you down the memory hole", and with no competition and no effective "checks and balances" no one will know. They control the health care industry, all aspects of transportation, investigation of fires and building collapses, etc, etc, etc. I know this sounds paranoid, because you're worth a lot more to them out in the pastures for now, but they do have this power, and it is largely unchecked. If they want to get to you, they will. Then... Of course for you it probably won't be rats, it'll probably be something else. Hmmm.... Maybe white doves? They love eyeballs ya know.
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« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 01:52:45 am by Alex Libman »
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It's only a small percentage of LEO's who are jerks and bullies. Because those few individuals are so active in hassling residents, it gives the false impression that all or most officers are no good.
I'm sorry, but for a moment there I thought you were referring to people born under the astrological sign of Leo. The sentence still makes perfect sense you see.. |
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"The question isn’t who is going to let me; it’s who is going to stop me."
- Ayn Rand
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A small percentage of Cancer's are bullies and jerks, too.
Just a heads up, brah.
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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