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NH towns Free Staters should AVOID
« on: September 17, 2010, 01:24:37 pm »

I wrote a previous post about the NH cities/towns I think Free Staters should move to. On the flip side what NH cities/towns should liberty minded people should NOT move to?

I think the Salem-Pelham-Hudson-Nashua area is becoming more like Lawrence-Lowell Mass then anything meaning its filling up with statists and Mass-bred socialists. Not good for liberty activists and we'd most likely not accomplish much there. But what say others?
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2010, 02:40:39 pm »

The statist sinkholes are pretty easy to identify from election results: Hanover, Dover, Durham, Concord, Keene, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Plymouth, Berlin.

In my view, libertarians thinking about maximizing their political impact should locate in "middle-of-the-road" districts. Here's my analysis of how towns stack up on that metric:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=19303.0;prev_next=next
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 04:25:21 pm »

The statist sinkholes are pretty easy to identify from election results: Hanover, Dover, Durham, Concord, Keene, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Plymouth, Berlin.

I thought Keene and Dover had two of the highest concentration of liberty activists. Hanover is a college town full of hippies and statists and so is Plymouth. But Keene and Dover? Come on!
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 05:26:26 pm »

I've always suggested swing voting districts where one can influence multiple State House and Senate races.  For that purpose, the best would be Manchester area.  Seabrook is pretty good, and I know that there are some areas in the northern seacoast that are decent.

To avoid?  Anywhere that either the Dems or the GOP establishment had a lock on both the primary and general.  Keene, Nashua, Berlin, and Concord are tough nuts to crack.  If you value liberty, Grafton, Seabrook, Hampton Falls, and the suburbs of Manchester are usually good.  If you want to face off against corruption and abuse, exposing them online: Keene, Dover, Berlin...
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 07:40:33 pm »

The statist sinkholes are pretty easy to identify from election results: Hanover, Dover, Durham, Concord, Keene, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Plymouth, Berlin.

I thought Keene and Dover had two of the highest concentration of liberty activists. Hanover is a college town full of hippies and statists and so is Plymouth. But Keene and Dover? Come on!

Keene is definitely a college town, and Dover is a college-ish town due to its proximity to Durham.  I don't know Keene well enough to say so, but Dover is certainly full of hip(pies/sters) and statists in large part due to the number of UNH students that live there.  The Seacoast Liberty meetup in Dover is pretty well attended, but off the top of my head I can think of maybe 5 members who live in Dover proper.  The rest come from surrounding towns.  The Seacoast area doesn't have an overwhelming number of activists yet, but I get the sense that we're procreating a lot more prolifically than the liberty folk in other parts of NH.  It's only a matter of time before we catch up.  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 07:41:33 pm »

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 07:55:05 pm »

The statist sinkholes are pretty easy to identify from election results: Hanover, Dover, Durham, Concord, Keene, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Plymouth, Berlin.

I thought Keene and Dover had two of the highest concentration of liberty activists. Hanover is a college town full of hippies and statists and so is Plymouth. But Keene and Dover? Come on!

Keene has a lot of Free Staters, but also a lot of statists, and most of the Free Staters there don't participate in the political process (for better or for worse).
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 09:10:11 pm »

Having been in NH for a bit, my honest opinion.

Keene is the most statist city in NH.  A large contingent of freestaters, but most of them don't vote, and there
actions tend to alienate the locals.

Concord number 2, and because it is the state capital, is full of state workers, and has among the highest tax rates in the state.   The freestaters there are pretty much out maned.

Dover/Portsmouth  all things considered a tough nut to crack, with UNH there, and so many folks moving from south of the border, but has a fair number of freestaters.

Rochester, in my opinion is the shining star in the Seacoast Region.  Gets little play on this forum, but is by far our most freedom oriented city, relatively low cost of living, and easy access to the rest of the state.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 09:17:38 pm »

I'm heading to Portsmouth when I move, the statist towns are the ones which will benefit most from in-system activism.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 09:31:59 pm »

I'm heading to Portsmouth when I move, the statist towns are the ones which will benefit most from in-system activism.

Yes! That's the exact point I was trying to make earlier. If I move to NH I'd like to move to Dover which is why I'm pushing for a Free Dover or Free Seacost movement next.

I think the college town thing could be looked at both ways. Yes lots of college kids are hippies and statists BUT there is huge potential to win them over to liberty. How many college-aged people voted for Ron Paul in 2008? All we have to do is win them over.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 12:24:03 pm »

Let me put the "marginal districts" idea this way... In an area that's teetering on the brink of being pro-liberty, you don't really have to persuade anybody. You just have to educate & motivate your own side. Winning over statists is great... but that's only going to happen in the long term.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 12:42:47 pm »

The folks I know who have moved to Portsmouth love it.

The biggest problem with Dover is Ward 1 and 2, with it's heavy student population,
especially during presidential election years.  Large numbers of students come to
vote for their favorite progressive at the top of the ticket.  Seldom do they have any
knowledge of local or state politics, but simply D...all the way down the ballot.

On a more positive note, many UNH students got on board with RP, so the freedom
community at UNH is growing.  It's not uncommon to see a few at our Wednesday
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 01:33:34 pm »

The folks I know who have moved to Portsmouth love it.

The biggest problem with Dover is Ward 1 and 2, with it's heavy student population,
especially during presidential election years.  Large numbers of students come to
vote for their favorite progressive at the top of the ticket.  Seldom do they have any
knowledge of local or state politics, but simply D...all the way down the ballot.

On a more positive note, many UNH students got on board with RP, so the freedom
community at UNH is growing.  It's not uncommon to see a few at our Wednesday
socials.

Exactly!

I'm thinking we should take up action in the "danger zones" where we can have influence. Portsmouth-Dover-Durham sounds like such an area. Same thing w/ Keene.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 08:08:53 pm »

I'm thinking we should take up action in the "danger zones" where we can have influence. Portsmouth-Dover-Durham sounds like such an area. Same thing w/ Keene.

I have lived in Washington (just north of Hillsboro), Concord, Portsmouth and Rochester (where my home currently is).  From a pure political perspective, I found Washington (a town with 1 cop and only 500 residents or so at the time) to be very liberty oriented as I believe any small town in New Hampshire is.  As the towns get more populated, you find more transplants from out-of-state (unfortunately these transplants are not participants of the FSP) that bring their "needs" of "protectionism" in with them.

If you want to work within the system then I would say you should definitely look into the Concord/Manchester area.  First off it's convenient to get to the state house, etc. but people in that area seem to me to be way more politically active.  Secondly it is center of the state and you can get just about anywhere you want fairly easily.

I personally don't work in the system anymore therefore I would not find much usefulness living in that area and prefer the seacoast out of the areas I have lived in across NH.  Besides the beaches, easy access to the mountains, quick escape to Maine or Boston...you have college campuses and the potential to awaken so many young minds.  I believe UNH has a student population of 15,000...if we could simply tap into a small portion of that, it could be a huge win. 

Oh wait a minute, we are tapped into that!  There is a YAL group at UNH that occasionally joins the NH Seacoast Liberty group.  The UNH crowd has increased in size, but they have not reached their potential --- give it time and it will.

To wrap up...I agree with your "danger zones" idea.  While I support the Free Keene / Free Grafton / etc. projects, I believe that they are limited in scope and have limited impact on the local populace whereas if we continue to spread across the state then our impact will be felt, seen and celebrated.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 10:09:10 pm »

I disagree with the notion that freestaters should avoid certain areas, provided they aren't ~anarchist~ and vote.

Marginal towns are obviously preferable, but if we want to marginalize statist cities/towns, we need people to move there in droves to effect as much of the state legislature as possible.

I just moved to Newton NH (border town, between South Hampton and Plaistow, south of East Kingston) 3 weeks ago, where we have 2 state reps. One is a liberty oriented (B+ according to NHLA) and the other is a C. On my street there are tons of signs toting the line to replace the C graded candidate. A few more free-staters moving into this district, which is somewhere between marginal and statist, would make a big difference in breaking the close races.

I need to do some more research, but I think at least one of the town selectmen here needs to be replaced. I have no problem going for upon further research if I determine it be necessary. Activism like that is needed everywhere.
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