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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #90 on: July 31, 2010, 11:15:12 am »

Just shot off my response; that letter is full of lies.  Another sad, desperate attempt at a smear from the anonymous critics.
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« Reply #91 on: July 31, 2010, 11:23:50 am »

http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/07/31/opinion/letters_editor/free/id_407932.txt
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They grabbed an elderly bailiff at the Keene Superior Court and pinned him against the wall.

Not only is that absolutely not true, it's a 180 degree reversal of the kind of shit that goes down there.  To call that a smear tactic is quite an understatement.  That kind of blatant lie reeks of desperation.  We actually catch them being violent on camera which is why they want to ban our cameras.  Meanwhile, they have cameras plastered all over the place in the Keene District Court.  To them I say "Show me" and I'd like to know why charges haven't been pressed.
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« Reply #92 on: July 31, 2010, 12:57:37 pm »

Hopefully the Sentinel publishes your response, Ian.
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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2010, 02:51:14 pm »

Just because you may not like a particular showing of civil disobedience, does not mean you should not tolerate it.

Not everyone want to be gay either, but to the extent that it highlights the problem with state marriage, government welfare, and government regulated health insurance- it is tolerable.  When we pick and choose the liberty we wish to respect we pick and choose our own bondage.



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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #94 on: October 21, 2010, 02:18:41 am »

it's not like junior high kids are politically influential[/quote]

They're not politically influential right now, but if we don't change the views of today's junior high kids, were will we be when they are politically influential?

Small incidents I saw when growing up deeply influenced my views today.
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« Reply #95 on: October 21, 2010, 09:12:51 am »

it's not like junior high kids are politically influential

They're not politically influential right now, but if we don't change the views of today's junior high kids, were will we be when they are politically influential?

Small incidents I saw when growing up deeply influenced my views today.
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yes but there is a good chance most of those people will become or would have become apathetic anyway.  It makes more sense to try and sway the people with the most influence, then you will get trickle down effects.
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« Reply #96 on: October 21, 2010, 01:33:11 pm »

it's not like junior high kids are politically influential
They're not politically influential right now, but if we don't change the views of today's junior high kids, were will we be when they are politically influential?Small incidents I saw when growing up deeply influenced my views today.

yes but there is a good chance most of those people will become or would have become apathetic anyway.  It makes more sense to try and sway the people with the most influence, then you will get trickle down effects.
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I respectfully disagree, Without social change, trickle down is easily shrugged off.That being said, I'm not confident that the keene folks message is one that will stick, not actually sure what it is.

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« Reply #97 on: October 21, 2010, 05:52:53 pm »

Turned out Lenin was wrong.
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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #98 on: October 21, 2010, 06:32:49 pm »

Yeah lenin was off on a lot of things, but he was right in the general sense that it's easier to train kids than untrain adults. Though high school through college age is a pretty malleable group.

I don't get why so many FSP folks seem to assume the college kids are all dyed in the wool statists. Traditionally isn't that a great group to recruit from? Before they fall into the mistaken belief that our two party system has two parties?
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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #99 on: October 22, 2010, 06:57:39 am »

Yeah lenin was off on a lot of things, but he was right in the general sense that it's easier to train kids than untrain adults. Though high school through college age is a pretty malleable group.

I don't get why so many FSP folks seem to assume the college kids are all dyed in the wool statists. Traditionally isn't that a great group to recruit from? Before they fall into the mistaken belief that our two party system has two parties?

yes college kids are some of the best to recruit:

1.  Minds mostly open.
2.  They are not bogged down by kids, spouse and debt.
3.  They can move anywhere as they are not settled yet.
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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #100 on: October 22, 2010, 11:06:23 am »

I don't get why so many FSP folks seem to assume the college kids are all dyed in the wool statists. Traditionally isn't that a great group to recruit from? Before they fall into the mistaken belief that our two party system has two parties?

earlier you were talking about junior high kids, which I believe is a big waste of time, unless you are ALREADY in power and have access to ALL the kids for a number of years like the Soviets did.  Even so, there is only so much B.S. you can feed people, I think for a long time before the USSR actually collapsed people knew not to trust the government.
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« Reply #101 on: October 22, 2010, 01:47:06 pm »

I don't get why so many FSP folks seem to assume the college kids are all dyed in the wool statists. Traditionally isn't that a great group to recruit from? Before they fall into the mistaken belief that our two party system has two parties?

earlier you were talking about junior high kids, which I believe is a big waste of time, unless you are ALREADY in power and have access to ALL the kids for a number of years like the Soviets did.  Even so, there is only so much B.S. you can feed people, I think for a long time before the USSR actually collapsed people knew not to trust the government.

Unfortunately many youngsters nowadys do trust their government. If it was possible to plant a seed of mistrust, or the idea they can thinlk critically about what they're told.... either of these messages if effective could have profound results on those kids.

Again I'm not so sure the keeener's activities would really have much effect, but in a free society, I don't have to be sure because it's not up to me.
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« Reply #102 on: October 22, 2010, 06:33:14 pm »

if Keene residents tire of antics they can choose to leave peaceful people alone.  Problem solved. 

Since when did the FSP forum become the Free Keene witchhunt forum?  Perhaps if you don't like what's happening in NH you should move here and do what you can to counteract it.  You can go out and say that smoking weed is bad and shouldn't be tolerated. 

That'll show 'em.
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« Reply #103 on: October 23, 2010, 12:37:06 am »

Don't some of the keene residents like the free keene activities?

I hear some folks saying that some folks don't like the message, but isn't there support as well?

I'm curious because I was thinking that keene might be a good destination. It seems like a lot is happening there, a lot of activism of all sorts.

Where I am now folks wouldn't dare speak/act out in such a way, they want to, but are afraid. We have plenty of umarked police cars with plain clothes officers that do whatever the heck they want, it's unclear who they are, they're plenty trigger happy and terrorize the rank and file police officers along with the populace. A officer in my family asked recently wether an individual officer was homeland security or under the local office and was told if he asked again it would severly damage his career, this for just asking a question.
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Re: Keene residents tiring of Free Keeners
« Reply #104 on: October 23, 2010, 10:12:41 am »

Don't some of the keene residents like the free keene activities?

Absolutely.  We meet them.  They show up in our forum from time to time.  But complainers tend to be louder.
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