sorry, maxx, it's just amazingly aggravating that there are people this stupid/weird/ascetic. You know, to be stuck on one thing and take it to the extreme, disregarding all logic or common sense. I guess I should know that people can be like that from the left/socialist side of this country, but I guess that kind of makes more sense to me. People everywhere want to believe in some form of Santa Claus, and for leftists, it's government. That kinda makes sense to me both psychologically and in the context that most people have been raised/schooled. But a weird "logical" consistency? Who the hell gets hung up on that? It's so weird. And the basic denial of reality that an adult should not have. Again, for leftists, thinking that government can solve everything and save everyone, that makes sense to me that people could be stuck on that. But the most basic nature of man? Denying that there will always be violent people, who need to be stopped violently (and regardless of what they say, that is what they're doing)? People ought to be more adult than that.
And then on top of that, the majority of libertarians just rationalize the crazies, explain them away. What the hell are they trying to explain away? Why are they trying to defend obvious loons? Are they taking it as an attack on libertarianism in general? Why? One shouldn't be so defensive. If people are calling out your crazies, identify them and make a separation. Don't defend them.
And by the way, it isn't simply a matter of Americans valuing other things than their rights. The simple fact of the matter is that the libertarian version of "rights" so often is anything but. I mean, Jesus Christ, a libertarian on another thread is claiming that you can blockade people in their houses based on property rights. That's ludicrous.
It's that, and also a matter of how to effectively defend rights in the context of our government/law system. Again, libertarians often fail on their prescriptions there.
Any way, the bottom line is as many crazies as there are, even more libertarians are giving their tacit approval by defending them or not making a point of saying they're crazy. How long before someone writes an editorial, or makes a video, denouncing the loonbags? Not just their methods, but their ideas. How long? These people here keep lambasting me, when they could get a lot more done by simply picking up their damn phone and taking a little video. But they don't, and that shows their priorites, motivations, and positions.