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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2010, 04:04:40 am »

Sorry, RSA 32:10, e

Don't know how I let that one go by.  This can also be achieved through local political involvement.  I've been promoting police commissions because it gives you more direct control and accountability over a police department.  It also helps keep politics, media, and other intervention off the backs of the average police officer who's just trying to do his job.

Town's can't actually legalize a substance, but there are several ways in New Hampshire for the voters to accomplish this.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2010, 05:19:05 pm »

And Seabrook has specific appropriations for specific offenses?

 
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2010, 07:16:15 pm »

Unlike an officer using personal judgement... a municipality voting to do so would violate the above provision.

I see what you're saying. Yes, I don't think voting is the proper way to go about it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2010, 05:47:41 am »

Allocating limited taxpayer resources != "suspending laws".

If a warrant article forbade DWI checkpoints, would the town be at risk of receivership? After all, such checkpoints are a matter of law, so if a town voted against having them...
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2010, 08:04:48 am »

Something that can be accomplished by citizen's petition right now is reducing pot enforcement to the lowest issue of enforcement.

"Upon a petition by (your name here), to see if the town/city of _____________ shall reduce enforcement of the private use, sale, or possession of marijuana to the lowest priority of law enforcement.
Name (First Last)                   Signature               address (house number and street)
1. ______________________ ________________ ________________________________
2. ______________________ ________________ ________________________________
3. ______________________ ________________ ________________________________
4. ____and so on..."

Different towns have different signature requirements, but that is one way to get something passed... and to bring the drug issue to the forefront of political debate.  Be sure to use 14 point font or better for the signatures, and sign your own name first.  You may have to water it down to get it passed.  For example, adding statements like, "for adults," or, "within a private home." It is still a major step in the right direction if it passes.  Folks might amend it at the deliberative session, but the issue will still come up.

The deadline for most petitions is about two months before the town vote, three for zoning changes.

This seems like a good idea but I know it wouldn't fly in a lot of places.  For instance where I live half the revenue for the police department comes from benes they get from state or federal (don't remember which) for busting potheads.  Without that property taxes would have to cover it and people wouldn't like that.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2010, 08:20:54 am »

Allocating limited taxpayer resources != "suspending laws".

Also true.

Something that can be accomplished by citizen's petition right now is reducing pot enforcement to the lowest issue of enforcement.

"Upon a petition by (your name here), to see if the town/city of _____________ shall reduce enforcement of the private use, sale, or possession of marijuana to the lowest priority of law enforcement.
Name (First Last)                   Signature               address (house number and street)
1. ______________________ ________________ ________________________________
2. ______________________ ________________ ________________________________
3. ______________________ ________________ ________________________________
4. ____and so on..."

Different towns have different signature requirements, but that is one way to get something passed... and to bring the drug issue to the forefront of political debate.  Be sure to use 14 point font or better for the signatures, and sign your own name first.  You may have to water it down to get it passed.  For example, adding statements like, "for adults," or, "within a private home." It is still a major step in the right direction if it passes.  Folks might amend it at the deliberative session, but the issue will still come up.

The deadline for most petitions is about two months before the town vote, three for zoning changes.

This seems like a good idea but I know it wouldn't fly in a lot of places.  For instance where I live half the revenue for the police department comes from benes they get from state or federal (don't remember which) for busting potheads.  Without that property taxes would have to cover it and people wouldn't like that.

NH can stop local departments from taking certain federal funds.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2010, 02:15:05 pm »

The DWI checkpoints are usually grants... so they could vote to refuse the grants.
But the local voters could not vote to in any manner entail the enforcement of DWI laws.

Very important to remember that cities/towns are corporations, not sovereign entities in NH.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2010, 12:41:41 pm »

Neither thing really has much to do with what I'm saying.  What I'm saying is that many people are aware that the police get revenue from busting druggies in many towns.  So if they voted on "reducing enforcement" or even repealing certain laws (state or federal) that would still play in their minds regardless of reality.  Probably the only way to reduce enforcement of an existing law is to have police that don't believe in enforcing it.
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