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Quote from: Luck on June 16, 2010, 03:10:59 pm

Okay. Thanks. I wonder if it had much support.

Google "HCR 6".

Not with anyone that already can read the NH Constitution.

Hi Luck,

While I encourage you to write down and describe your motivations, such as you have, I think the main problem with your Declaration is the usage of very subjective words. Specifically, basing the document on the idea of "corruption" is problematic because it's debatable and its a question of extent.

I could make the case that politicians are corrupt to various degrees, but not that some are corrupt and some not. Further, we'd all have different ideas of what it means to be corrupt. Is accepting money from certain constituents in order help your campaign corrupt? Well, I don't think so, but many would.

By basing your declaration on the argument that government has just recently become corrupt, you set yourself up for instant critique. Wasn't government just as corrupt 20 years ago? What about 50 or 100 years ago?

Further, try not to use terms like "patriotic." What does it mean? It's totally subjective... some would label us freedom lovers as "unpatriotic" because we don't support militant overseas aggression. "Patriotism" is one of those terms that is used so loosely as to have lost its meaning.

Further, you specify certain actions which you don't want the government to engage in, such as bailouts and vote fraud. Well, nobody wants vote fraud, and bailouts are really a minor phenomenon in government - only recently have they become contentious. I think a document declaring independence and a broad statement of good governance should avoid such narrow issues... preferring instead to underscore the principles which make all the little issues wrong. For example, highlighting the principle that one has a right to his own wealth, if agreed upon, would prevent such things as bailouts and countless other evils that will occur periodically.

Try focusing on broad ideas, not the immediately relevant issues of the day, if you want to create a beautiful, lasting narrative that captures the hearts and minds of people.

As Utopian as this sounds we must be realistic, and neutral in our use of the word government. The D of I declares that it is the right of people to set up a new government when there is one that HAS BECOME CORRUPT. Jefferson then gave the reasons that government should exist. that is to SECURE THE RIGHTS of the people, and their property. To set up a government on the premise that all government is corrupt will never get the necessary numbers to even come close to becoming a reality. I believe we need to work within the framework of the constitution that we have, and elect people that represent freedom and liberty the way it was originally intended. Once we get this done we can work on improving things by ratifying amendments to the constitution, among these would be sound money, term limits, and the dismantling of federal programs that do not adhere to the constitution, and handing the resposibility to the people and representatives of each state and let them decide if they want such programs.

We can all live in an alternate reality where we try to change the system entirely, or we can work together within the system to make actual changes that make things better for more people. In a perfect world anarchy would work, but this world is far from a perfect world, and the United States started as the best nation in history to recognize human rights. WE ALL MUST WORK WITHIN THIS SYSTEM IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE REAL CHANGE IN THE SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME. Voting for the right people as representatives is a must for all people who want freedom, and libery.

There is no such thing as Sound Money.
Term Limits simply limit the choices of representation.
And the States are currently determining which programs they wish...

I WAS AT THE COURTHOUSE WHEN THE VOTE WENT DOWN. IT WAS IN THE 150'S FOR AND 220'S AGAINST.

Why was there a vote in the Courthouse? And what was being voted on?

* I just read that this U.S. law below was passed in 1991, which supports or honors Zionist Law, which calls for beheading anyone who "worships" Jesus etc. That was in Bush, Sr's administration.
* Bush, Jr had many Zionists in his administration, who were strong backers of the wars with Iraq, Afghanistan etc. It's ironic that so many Christians supported Bush, while his policies were largely anti-Christian. Iraq had more Christians than most any other Middle East nation and the new Muslim govt there forbids Christian worship.

APPENDIX ONE 105 STAT. 44 PUBLIC LAW 102-14-MAR. 20,1991 Public Law 102-14 102d Congress Joint Resolution Mar. 20. 1991 [H.J Res 104] To designate March 26. 1991, as "Education Day. U. S. A." Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our, great Nation was founded;

Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;

Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos;

Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;

Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;

Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;

Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991:

Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, "the rebbe", this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of "education and giving", the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws: and

Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lutbavitch movement. is designated as "Education Day. U.S.A.". The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities. PUBLIC LAW 102-14-MAR. 20,1991 105 STAT. 45 Approved March 20, 1991 LEGISLATIVE HISTORY-H.J Res 104 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD. Vol 137. (1991) Mar 5. considered and passed House Mar 7. considered and passed Senate 56

An unconstitutional law is no law.

If indeed this "zionist law" was passed it would be completely unenforceable. But honestly I think this is some sort of internet ghost. When I tried to google it all I found was circles and self referential examples.

Actually you might want to learn about the Intolerable Acts. These were the foundation for the American Revolution.
In fact, early American history shows more than a willingness by the Founding Fathers to use government to their own purposes.

The Occupy Movement is now trying to Occupy the Courts
http://movetoamend.org/organizing-resources/declaration-independence-corporate-rule

Declaration of Independence from Corporate Rule

Proclaim the independence of all levels of our government from the domination of corporations. Download .pdfs and .doc versions of this timely re-write of the Declaration:

We the People of the United States, in order to make democracy real and justice possible, to defend against oppression, to fight for the welfare of all, to liberate our minds and hearts, and to safeguard our pocketbooks from the clutches of corporations, do hereby declare our independence from corporate rule, shouting for all to hear that:

Corporations are not human persons and have no inherent inalienable human rights under the Constitution
Money is not speech. Money is concentrated capital and it cannot speak.
Communities have the right to decide what happens to their land, their homes, their health, their local businesses, and all their citizens--children, elders, sick and poor. Corporations do not.

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