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Topic: Will the Freestateproject be "sabotaged" by Homeland Security? (Read 4773 times)
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shere
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Hey, many laughed at Columbus. And Galeleo was persecuted!
George III probably joked "They're called 'minutemen' because that's their life expectancy".
Personally, I think that Summerlin is just a troll.
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Wisdom begins with the intelligence to recognize one's own ignorance.
Every political issue is a battle between those who seek their own liberty and those who seek to restrict the liberty of others.
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Aaron
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Just a tidbit to set history straight. The drivel we learned in public grade schools about Columbus believing the earth was round when everyone else thought it was flat is untrue. Although the general public was uneducated in the 15th century, the aristocracy and intelligencia of the day were well aware that the earth was round. The difference of opinion between them and Columbus was that Columbus thought the circumference was about 15,000 miles thus making the trip to India by sailing west economically feasible. He was laughed at because the rest of the educated population went with the calculation first formulated by the ancient greeks of about 25,000 miles. Guess what? They were right and Columbus was wrong! It is not economically feasible to sail west from Europe in order to get to India. The extra 10,000 miles as well as the then unknown continent gets in the way. History was rewritten in our country in the same manner as they used to do in the former Soviet Union.
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RhythmStar
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On Columbus, I've always found it fascinating that one can be given credit for discovering a place where other people have been living for thousands of years.  RS |
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Irony is the innate perversity of circumstance. -- William House
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onyx_goddess
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Then what terminology would you use that isn't just another word for discover?
"I have identified a continent previously not on our maps!"
That's pretty straightforward, and is just long-hand for "discover".
I guess to be more PC, it would have to be
"I have identified a continent previously not on our maps, but which may or may not exist on the maps of the inhabitants of said continent!"
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Happiness is fleeting
When your heart is barely beating
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BobW
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Hi Aaron,
Good points !
I like Napolean's definition of "History"; "The agreed upon lies."
BobW
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RhythmStar
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Then what terminology would you use that isn't just another word for discover?
"I have identified a continent previously not on our maps!"
That's pretty straightforward, and is just long-hand for "discover".
I guess to be more PC, it would have to be
"I have identified a continent previously not on our maps, but which may or may not exist on the maps of the inhabitants of said continent!"
How about 'encountered'? Columbus encountered America. What he discovered was the vastness of his own ignorance. Including his ignorance of the Norse landings on North America prior to his late arrival. As far as the human discovery of North America, that happened BC and originated from Asia. European history is simply revisionist and parochial, that's my main point. Plus, I always saw Columbus Day as a day mourning. I guess it all depends on your perspective, but facts are facts regardless of interpretation. RS |
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Irony is the innate perversity of circumstance. -- William House
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WeHoldTheseTruths
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The only way the HSO could infiltrate and make us fail is by having TROLLS post DEFEATIST innuendo like the thread-starter and try to discourage people. Self-fulfilled prophecy as it were.
DFTFT. Nuff said.
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"I contemplate with sovereign reverence ... Legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." -- Thomas Jefferson
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rodschmidt
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I dont think anyone really cares what FSP does. I am a college student and whenever there is a discussion I am basically laughed at. People think FSP is a big joke. I wouldnt worry about the government doing anything excpet having a chuckle at FSP's expense. most people are too busy watching TV to give a darn about FSP.
I had that experience today. They're going to take New Hampshire? Ha ha! How many electoral votes does New Hampshire have? |
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rodschmidt
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Just a tidbit to set history straight. ... I read somewhere that Columbus' wife's family had a map made by some Knights Templar who had been to Greenland and America. The story that went with the map described a volcano of asphalt in Greenland (which exists). In Massachusetts there's a gravestone with a picture chipped into it of a knight in armor with a sword pommel resembling the Templars'. Another story says Columbus was Jewish and his Jewish name was Colon. |
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SteveA
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I bet there are 10 million other people out there bitching about politics and the growth of government. If they can "afford" to mess with everyone and keep it out of the media, then let them "afford" it. We're just another group they'd have to bother with if they were into bothering.
Honestly, I don't think they have the need or desire to get as many people as possible upset about prying into public life.
Besides, they get their federal bucks either way so if the N.H. economy does well they get even more (while paying us less on top of it).
Look at what happened in CA. Largest voter turnout in the history of the state I believe, 2nd every successful recall in the history of the U.S. and most voters were upset about runaway politics. If our government can afford to stop political reform that will likely improve the economy, let them go for it and see how the economy takes a dump. Bush, wants to get reelected I assume ...
Freedom is a mindset. Let them spend as much time as possible trying to convince you, you aren't free and shouldn't try to be. It just makes the "cost of doing business" higher for them.
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"Fruitless, born a thousand times, lies barren. Unguided inspiration, yields random motion, circumscribed in destination, going nowhere. Guidance uninspired, always true in facing, stands immobile. But fixed upon that destination firmly and with inspiration lofted; beget your dreams."
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Tracy Saboe
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It's basically impossible to infiltrate or sabotage the FSP because of our structure. If a bunch of NSA guys signed up right now, what could they do? Vote for Maine? LOL Seriously, that's about the worst they can possibly do. Our member list is secure. Our Board of Directors is ironclad & trustworthy. The plan of action is simple. (How exactly are they going to prevent people from moving to the chosen state? Hack the website? And the email lists? Over and over?)
What if Statist people join the FSP, and then we'll think we have 20,000 people but instead half of them or more aren't freedom oriented. Tracy |
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sopwith21
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At the risk of putting this thread back on topic...
Absolutely yes, the Homeland Insecurity/FBI/CIA/alphabet soup welfare recipients will most certainly sabotage us in any way they possibly can.
Their jobs are at stake.
That's not a joke. These people live, eat and breathe for the chance to destroy non-conformists like us. They have no other legitimate function.
Welfare recipients will NEVER stand idly by as their government checks are taken from them. History has proven that government welfare recipients will do anything to keep the checks coming. That includes stealing, torturing and killing. Of course, its usually accomplished with much better public relations nowadays, but the goal is the same.
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Top Dollar
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One thing working in FSP's favor is that it is not soliciting large donations, selling memberships or offering great 'investment opportunities'. I've seen several freedom projects go down in flames after doing this. It is a lot more like the Rainbow Gatherings, where word spreads among the hippies who just happen to show up at the same time at a national park or forest to camp. Some good pointers from Nancy Lord, who defended members of a militia group who had evidence planted on their property by a paid FBI informant. The informant testified in court that he had done this: http://www.duke.edu/~bub/lord.htm |
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sopwith21
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That is a brilliant article and everyone should read it.
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DustinD
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If you look at the mindset of most statists and people who are against some particular form of individual freedom you should see that the odds of even one statist joining to sabotage or cause trouble are pretty low. We have only had a few trolls on the bbs. If someone were to cause trouble it would probably be someone who is really against a particular freedom. I guess a politically active hard core right or left winger might cause a little trouble, but still nothing to be worried about.
I think some gov officials are biased against us, but that is not something to loose sleep over. Nothing like Waco or ruby ridge could ever happen to a whole state. If someone steps on one of our toes all of us will scream. Nothing really could happen without comming to the light of day. In short we have nothing to be worried about.
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