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Topic: FSP on FMF (Read 2984 times)
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Zenman
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The subject of the FSP is being discussed on my board in a thread called "Band of Radicals Plan State Takeover". One poster believes that, in the absence of govt cops and courts, crime will run rampant, and so on. He also believes in carrying concealed. Kind of interesting. Anyway, I'd like to invite anyone interested to drop by, and especially any anarcho-capitalists who'd be interested in articulating the joys of privatization and such: http://freemindforum.comThanks, Groove on, yon Porcupines! Zenman |
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Zenman
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Thanks Dada and ShineGuard for your input on the "Radicals" thread. A couple of issues came up during the thread that hadn't occurred to me. One that Dada mentioned was about landlockedness and secessionism. I started wondering, for example, if many/any pro-secessionists have opted out of Wyoming mainly or exclussively for that reason.
Also, I haven't seen discussed (quite possibly, you've already beaten these issues into the ground and I've just missed those posts/threads) the issue of whether the number of members who have opted out of certain states will have a bearing on the choosing of the Free State. For example, if, say, Wyoming was otherwise the front runner, but a large proportion of the 5000 members stated that Wyoming is a state that they wouldn't move to, then might that not make the otherwise 2nd runner a more feasible choice? (Perhaps especially if it weren't landlocked?)
Zenman
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1DayAtATime
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Also, I haven't seen discussed (quite possibly, you've already beaten these issues into the ground and I've just missed those posts/threads) the issue of whether the number of members who have opted out of certain states will have a bearing on the choosing of the Free State.
Zenman
No. The method of voting we use, the Condorcet method, tells us the favorite state (it will after the vote) and that is the state we select. Because of this, even states with high numbers of opt-outs like Alaska, ND, and DE could be selected. After the state is selected, the FSP will email everyone that opt-out of that state, give them a list of reasons why that is the best state, and ask them to sign up again. Well, that is what Jason, the FSP founder, suggested. |
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Zenman
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Sounds reasonable.
Interesting, though: so, Wyoming, for example, might be chosen because of its superior stats, though could still have a large number of the 5000 opting out.
It seems like the % of membership opting out of each state would be an important stat to be considering.
Zenman
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1DayAtATime
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Sounds reasonable.
Interesting, though: so, Wyoming, for example, might be chosen because of its superior stats, though could still have a large number of the 5000 opting out.
It seems like the % of membership opting out of each state would be an important stat to be considering.
Zenman
Jason has not and will not tell us if any of the states have a large number of members opting out. All he told us is that more people have opt-out of AK than any other state. So, Jason must not think it is a very important stat and the majority of the FSP board of directors must be in agreement. I agree, it is not important at all. If for example, a majority of us thought AK was the best state for freedom in our lifetimes, even if 600 opted-out of it, it would still be the best state for freedom in our lifetimes. I would like more people would opt-out of a state like AK, ND, or DE than any other state. Remember, once we reach 5,000 we are just getting started. Once we state targeting our ads and all of our combined works to pushing for one state (instead of argueing over which state) we will be able to attract new members faster. About Wyoming, even if a large amount of 400 of the 5000 members opted-out of it, that would still leave 4,600 members. After the FSP pleads for those opt-outs to rejoin the FSP, maybe 150 of them will, so that gives us 4,750 to start with. And if you figure (as many estimations go) that 10,000 in Wyoming will do more than 20,000 in ID, NH, or ME, than we are already very close to what we need. |
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JasonPSorens
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The reason I don't want to release opt-out figures is that if people thought opt-outs would make a difference in the vote, they might artificially restrict their opt-outs in order to try to influence the vote. For example, someone who thought ID was the 2nd best choice, but was afraid of it winning over his 1st choice, might opt out of ID to make it look a little worse to other voters, even though he himself will be putting it in 2nd place.
I acknowledged that AK has the highest number of opt-outs, simply because that's what everyone would expect. But still, it's worth noting that only a minority have opted out of AK, and I'd say that AK optouts have declined a bit over the past couple of months.
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Audio signature (MP3) "Experience has shown that it is difficult, if not impossible, for a populous state to be run by good laws." --Aristotle, The Politics
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Maccabee
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The subject of the FSP is being discussed on my board in a thread called "Band of Radicals Plan State Takeover". One poster believes that, in the absence of govt cops and courts, crime will run rampant, and so on. He also believes in carrying concealed. Kind of interesting.
Wait...are you saying that, in the Free State, there WON'T BE government cops and courts? Adam |
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SandyPrice
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Hi Zenman. I visited the site and think it looks much better than the old one. I must have missed the discussion on FSP as all I found were potato recipes.
I'll pass on your forum as they don't seem to be serious about finding a freer environment, just one where porn and drugs can be found. This kind of freedom can be found in Mexico.
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