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surrounded by private land
« on: June 17, 2009, 12:58:07 am »

Let's say I live in a regular neighborhood.
My neighbors then decide to sell to a developer who doesn't like me.
The problem is that he buys all the land around me.
Since I am completely surrounded by his land and he doesn't let me on how do I live?
I don't have enough stuff to live "off the grid" and still need to shop or go to work.
What is the remedy?
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 06:37:39 am »

Let's say I live in a regular neighborhood.
My neighbors then decide to sell to a developer who doesn't like me.
The problem is that he buys all the land around me.
Since I am completely surrounded by his land and he doesn't let me on how do I live?
I don't have enough stuff to live "off the grid" and still need to shop or go to work.
What is the remedy?

How did you access your property when the old neighbors owned it?
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 07:10:23 am »

Cheap helicopter to get over his property onto some more friendly property.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 01:20:07 pm »

There are common right of ways that reside within collectively owned roads.

If all lands, which includes the roads, are privatized then you have recreated feudalism and land"lords" are nothing more than states.
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Re: surrounded by private land
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 01:24:59 pm »

If all lands, which includes the roads, are privatized then you have recreated feudalism and land"lords" are nothing more than states.

Did anyone say anything about landlords? Take it elsewhere. Please.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 01:33:41 pm »

If all lands, which includes the roads, are privatized then you have recreated feudalism and land"lords" are nothing more than states.

Did anyone say anything about landlords? Take it elsewhere. Please.

Hello?

We are in "on the commons" section of the forum - no?
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 01:43:47 pm »

If all lands, which includes the roads, are privatized then you have recreated feudalism and land"lords" are nothing more than states.

Did anyone say anything about landlords? Take it elsewhere. Please.

Hello?

We are in "on the commons" section of the forum - no?

We certainly are.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2009, 01:59:12 pm »

If all lands, which includes the roads, are privatized then you have recreated feudalism and land"lords" are nothing more than states.

Did anyone say anything about landlords? Take it elsewhere. Please.

Hello?

We are in "on the commons" section of the forum - no?

We certainly are.

Glad we can agree on something...
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 08:24:10 am »

Is your name Israel in this scenerio?

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 10:12:23 am »

You get a court order to have access to your land. No judge in this country would deny someone access to their land.

Or you could purchase a right of way...

Or you could sell to the developer...

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 09:10:26 pm »

Easement by necessity. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 09:31:58 pm »

this is why they created eminent domain.

It's not like we're facing new problems here
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2009, 07:41:59 am »

If you just had a verbal agreement with your previous neighbours, you may be screwed without costly legal hearings. If you had an easement then they can't legally take away your access.  If the road you used was formerly a REAL 'state/city' road, you could in theory sue and if they had removed/destroyed the road the developer could be held liable. 

If you can find some info search out about the Londonderry Fish and Game Club.  They had a town road destroyed by a guy who wanted to make a golf course....  The club COULD have made him rebuild the road THROUGH his golf course...   Instead over lots and lots of time we had an easement under the PSNH lines.... our access is supposedly much easier now. I haven't been there since.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 08:30:33 am »

If your neighbors are really that evil, I suggest getting the biggest most kickass speakers in the world and blasting your favorite music at them 24x7
They will beg for mercy eventually
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 09:21:35 am »

Permanent 'right of way'  that changes with owners are fairly common.
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