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Topic: HB 588 to lower drinking age (Read 26429 times)
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TomAlciere
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Rep. Timothy Robertson (D-Keene) has introdiced HB 588, to lower the drinking age to 18, a step in the right direction toward liberty and justice for all. All the lame excuses for the drinking age are refuted on my site at http://udadd.comGo to http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/members/wml.aspx and contact your mis-representatives and instruct them to vote for this. Tom Alciere Webmaster, Underage Drinkers Against Drunk Driving |
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sonio
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At least it's a step... the drinking age should be up to the parent.
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It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. – Charles A. Beard
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1DayAtATime
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At least it's a step... the drinking age should be up to the parent.
So you like the system used in most of the world? |
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sonio
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I don't really know what most of the world does... ?
Seems just like homeschooling, discipline, etc.
That's why we call them parents.
The decision is theirs.
I just know what makes sense to me.
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It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. – Charles A. Beard
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Dosazu
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According to the well known logical alcohol education website: http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.htmlConsumption of alcohol is not strictly prohibited to over 21's in NH. Of course, the age to purchase is 21 like everywhere else. There obviously needs to be definition on when one can purchase alcohol, which logically should be 18. Why do the special interest groups insist on 21 purchase when in many states that doesn't mean under 21's can't drink legally anyway? Tougher drunk driving laws reduce drunk driving, not a higher alcohol purchasing age. Edit: Wait a minute, this is the same guy who wants to raise the tobacco purchase age to 21. ...What? |
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« Last Edit: January 28, 2009, 11:46:15 pm by Dosazu »
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maxxoccupancy
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That sounds like something to testify toward. It's strange that something that enjoys such strong support from the majority of Americans is least likely to pass because of the highway funds issue. A perfectly viable approach is to asses some very minor "fine" for first time offenders. If the first offense was only a $10 "fine" for the buyer and a $10 fine for the cashier, we might still be within the confines of federal mandates while still keeping the federal fund nuts in Concord happy. Here's a pdf file with some valuable info (with some of the critical text): http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/alcohol/Community%20Guides%20HTML/PDFs/Public_App7.pdfThe national law specifically requires states to prohibit purchase and public possession of alcoholic beverages. It does not require
prohibition of persons under 21 (also called youth or minors) from drinking alcoholic beverages. The term “public possession” is
strictly defined and does not apply to possession for the following.
*An established religious purpose, when accompanied by a parent, spouse, or legal guardian age 21 or older;
*Medical purposes when prescribed or administered by a licensed physician, pharmacist, dentist, nurse, hospital, or medical
institution;
*In private clubs or establishments; and
*In the course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer. In other words, the law in New Hampshire could be made more libertarian without endangering those critical public funds that our Legislators are addicted to. |
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Dreepa
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This bill was ITLed 2 months ago.
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maxxoccupancy
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I don't mean the bill itself, but the issue. We can present the issue as an actual bill in the next session in a non fund-endangering version that still makes the state more libertarian. The alcohol purchase/public possession age would still be 21, but almost every other aspect would be 18. It would not be too difficult to craft a bill that got New Hampsha down to the absolute federal minimum. From the pdf referred to earlier: Loopholes
The Surgeon General of the U.S. determined, in a series of reports in 1991, that many states’ laws contain loopholes that permit
underage drinking.
Although no states permit vendors to sell to minors, some states do not prohibit minors from purchasing alcohol.
States allow minors to possess alcohol under certain conditions.
Many states do not specifically prohibit consumption by minors.
Some states allow minors to sell or serve alcohol without adult supervision.
Most states do not prohibit minors from entering drinking establishments. Moreover, there are issues about funding of alcohol enforcement and instructions to law enforcement that 18-20 year old drinking is the lowest priority for enforcement. From a FauxNews interview: EATHER NAUERT, FNC CORRESPONDENT: "That's right. Well, if you think you have to be 21 years old to buy booze or legally drink, you're wrong. At least six states have exceptions to the minimum drinking age. In Georgia, for example, kids can buy booze for religious services. In Minnesota, it's okay to buy it for research. And in Wisconsin, minors only have to belly up to the bar with ma and pa to drink legally."
Now in order to get full highway funds, states had to raise the drinking age to 21 by 1998. Every single state had done this. But according to various federal agencies, no states have lost their highway funding because of loopholes like the ones in Wisconsin. The federal law doesn't mandate that this be with a parent, either. As long as you are with anyone over 21, you are okay. In other words, we could change state law to effectively lower the drinking age to 18, under certain circumstances. The bar is technically selling to the 21 year old--the responsible adult--but the 18-20 year old is the one consuming it. Revenue goes up dramatically (due to increased sales from incoming college age adults coming in from other states), and no funds are lost from the feds. Also, the federal law doesn't state that we have to charge a $1,000 fine to the vendor if they sell to someone without an ID. Much small fines can reduce the stigma associated with alcohol legislation. |
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lizard7bo
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wo hoo for 18. but i dont see why 18 has to be the lowest. i mean why not make the drinking age 12? if you think about it there would be a lower crime rate because kids wouldnt be drinking illegaly and since people would be drinking since 12 it would be easier to teach the younger kids to be responsable with alchohol, thus lowering the rate of drunk driving accidents as well.
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J’raxis 270145
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wo hoo for 18. but i dont see why 18 has to be the lowest. i mean why not make the drinking age 12? if you think about it there would be a lower crime rate because kids wouldnt be drinking illegaly and since people would be drinking since 12 it would be easier to teach the younger kids to be responsable with alchohol, thus lowering the rate of drunk driving accidents as well.
Lowering it to 18 is something that might actually be possible to accomplish, that’s all. I believe all age-based regulation ought to be abolished. |
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Keyser Soce
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Tougher drunk driving laws reduce drunk driving, not a higher alcohol purchasing age.
Tougher drunk driving laws bring in more revenue for the state from people who aren't really intoxicated. http://www.ridl.us/articles/out_of_control.html |
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lizard7bo
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i agree with kayser. except i dont think that drunk driving should be illegal at all. instead of ticketing people for driving drunk just make it so if you cause an accident while driving drunk and you end up killing someone you should be tried as a normal murderer rather than lessing the sentence for "vehicular manslaughter."
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B.D. Ross
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i agree with kayser. except i dont think that drunk driving should be illegal at all. instead of ticketing people for driving drunk just make it so if you cause an accident while driving drunk and you end up killing someone you should be tried as a normal murderer rather than lessing the sentence for "vehicular manslaughter."
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maxxoccupancy
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Point being that numerous State Reps have been saying that we cannot lower the drinking age to 18, despite the fact that between 60-70% of Americans believe that the drinking age should be reduced to 18, according to several polls. There are also activists groups in New England that we can coalition with and recruit new members from. Even if now new legislation is passed or repealed, some of these folks could be new activists for future efforts.
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We're in need of volunteers to help out with Freedom Expo. PM one of the organizers (like me) if you'd like to help.
"The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property." Freedom Expo is at Trinity Parish House, Seabrook, April 27, 2013! (right next to the Post Office)
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Bondurant
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At 18 the American citizen is granted the right to purchase pornography and tobacco.
At 18 the American citizen can join the armed forces.
At 18 the American citizen is given the power of the vote.
If the American citizen can be trusted , at 18, to help shape the town, county, state and federal government, then, by all means, the American citizen should be trusted to drink and/or purchase alcohol.
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