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J’raxis 270145
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I suppose the title of this thread "Victimless Crimes Amendment" is too narrow (I don't see that I have privs to edit it), because it encompasses far more than just victimless crimes. Under the language above, you could not be hauled into court for not paying your state taxes. Or a traffic ticket. 'Course that was the point--government proceedings are too easily instituted for legal (but unjust) reasons and can be greatly abused. The goal is to limit the circumstances in which you must appear in front of a government official to protect either yourself or your property.
I think something like that would be going too far to be credible as an actual piece of legislation. A “victimless crimes amendment” that would wipe out broad swaths of the criminal code obviously has zero chance of passing, but it’s at least a possible modification to the current system of government. One that actually eliminated the State’s ability to tax, on the other hand… Preamble: I'd been working on something preamble-like. Just haven't posted it yet. Been faaar too busy with work :/
Cool. Well, we can keep hacking at this. There are a total of four freestaters in office now, and maybe once it’s ready, we could get some or all of them to sponsor it. (And that would give us plenty of time to work on this, as freshman legislators aren’t supposed to submit bills until their second year in office.) |
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B.D. Ross
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Cool. Well, we can keep hacking at this. There are a total of four freestaters in office now, and maybe once it’s ready, we could get some or all of them to sponsor it. (And that would give us plenty of time to work on this, as freshman legislators aren’t supposed to submit bills until their second year in office.)
We can do that. What I'd really like to do, among other things, is get a group of interested individuals together to go over the RSA, identify useless provisions and identify areas where "corrections" should be made, write up summaries and recommendations (including cost-savings analyses), and send those reports off to legislators. Possibly, with recommended legislation. Big project. A bit more targeted than say, what the NHLA does. But, then again, multiple voices doesn't hurt anyway. |
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J’raxis 270145
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Cool. Well, we can keep hacking at this. There are a total of four freestaters in office now, and maybe once it’s ready, we could get some or all of them to sponsor it. (And that would give us plenty of time to work on this, as freshman legislators aren’t supposed to submit bills until their second year in office.)
We can do that. What I'd really like to do, among other things, is get a group of interested individuals together to go over the RSA, identify useless provisions and identify areas where "corrections" should be made, write up summaries and recommendations (including cost-savings analyses), and send those reports off to legislators. Possibly, with recommended legislation. Big project. A bit more targeted than say, what the NHLA does. But, then again, multiple voices doesn't hurt anyway. There’s a group of freestaters, including myself, who have already started doing something like this, coming up with a list of RSAs that are either obsolete ( e.g., odd laws about work or recreation on Sundays) or unenforced ( e.g., the adultery statute). We got the idea after there was an actual bill up last year to form a study committee to come up with a list of unenforced or obsolete RSAs, and the idiots killed the bill in committee. (This is also what launched Dave Ridley into his “illegal puppet show” civil disobedience.) |
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joeyforpresident
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Anytime I see the term "victimless crime" I must always abhor and remember the coverage I have read about the Grafton Gang's efforts to turn downtown into a donkey-show/cannibal haven, safe for all sorts of "victimless crimes." So I would predicate a large portion of this discussion with some exclusion clauses. I, for one, do not feel safe being lumped in with the "Victimless Crimes Unit" of the 2003/04 Grafton Gang's efforts. For background, Google Save Grafton or visit: www.chuckGeshlider.com |
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B.D. Ross
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So I would predicate a large portion of this discussion with some exclusion clauses.
Exclude what? |
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maxxoccupancy
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predicate with some exclusion clauses? what are you designing the next Itanium chip? Take your rotating register stacks, instruction bundles, and toss em.
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J’raxis 270145
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So I would predicate a large portion of this discussion with some exclusion clauses.
Exclude what? Stuff that would make anti–“victimless crime” advocacy look bad, in his opinion. In other words, stuff he doesn’t like.  Any and all consensual acts are victimless crimes, Joey, and nothing should be excluded simply because it’s beyond your or anyone else’s definition of acceptable. |
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