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orion
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In a truly voluntary/free market society, how do property rights work? How do you stop someone from claiming huge amount of land?
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John Edward Mercier
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Because in a voluntary society I may give, but not take. So the 'claim' would either be based on original homesteading... or transfer through payment of goods/services, much the same as we do today.
There would of course be no eminent domain... the land for any project would need to be purchased from a willing owner.
There would also be no socially set restrictions... if I wanted an abutting property to remain as is... I would have to purchase it... not use government restrictions and permitting to preserve it.
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orion
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Because in a voluntary society I may give, but not take. So the 'claim' would either be based on original homesteading... or transfer through payment of goods/services, much the same as we do today.
There would of course be no eminent domain... the land for any project would need to be purchased from a willing owner.
There would also be no socially set restrictions... if I wanted an abutting property to remain as is... I would have to purchase it... not use government restrictions and permitting to preserve it. Forgive me, but I don't quite understand your response. Do you think you could rephrase it? Let's say that we started over in NH with a clean slate: Nobody owned any land. When a peson moves to NH, do they just put up a fence and call it their property? How do you establish who was there first? What stops me from claiming that I own thousands of acres of land that I will probably never touch? Would it be the government's job (after all, to protect life, liberty, and property) to setup some type of free property registration/identification system? You stated that you would have to "purchase it"... but form whom if nobody owned the land before? I do apologize for all the questions. I find the idea of a voluntary society very interesting, and I wish to understand better how it works. You'll probably see more threads about other topics when my curiosity gets sparked. |
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B.D. Ross
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Forgive me, but I don't quite understand your response. Do you think you could rephrase it?
Let's say that we started over in NH with a clean slate: Nobody owned any land. When a peson moves to NH, do they just put up a fence and call it their property? How do you establish who was there first? What stops me from claiming that I own thousands of acres of land that I will probably never touch? Would it be the government's job (after all, to protect life, liberty, and property) to setup some type of free property registration/identification system? You stated that you would have to "purchase it"... but form whom if nobody owned the land before?
I do apologize for all the questions. I find the idea of a voluntary society very interesting, and I wish to understand better how it works. You'll probably see more threads about other topics when my curiosity gets sparked.
Upon what basis would you claim thousands of acres of land that you've never touched? |
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orion
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I wouldn't do that, but certainly there are assholes out there.
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John Edward Mercier
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Even currently in NH, non-government land can be acquired by adverse possession. So my acquiring large tracts that I have no use for would, and no intent to steward would be impractical.
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orion
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So how do you prove that you were on the land first?
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B.D. Ross
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I wouldn't do that, but certainly there are assholes out there.
Sorry, I didn't mean "you"-you. I meant the plural you, "one". Get's a bit confusing sometimes... Anyway, how to prove you were on the land first? Same way you can try to prove any fact: depends on the evidence you have. |
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John Edward Mercier
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So how do you prove that you were on the land first?
By stewardship. If I own a thousand acres bought and paid for... I can lose it to adverse possession. |
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MaineShark
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Let's say that we started over in NH with a clean slate: Nobody owned any land. When a peson moves to NH, do they just put up a fence and call it their property? How do you establish who was there first? What stops me from claiming that I own thousands of acres of land that I will probably never touch? Would it be the government's job (after all, to protect life, liberty, and property) to setup some type of free property registration/identification system? You stated that you would have to "purchase it"... but form whom if nobody owned the land before? Property (of any sort) is acquired by homesteading or trade. Let's say that you come upon some unowned land. You declare that it is yours, and put up signs to indicate such. You could fail to mark it, but then "adverse possession" applies. In other words, if you claim something, but do not identify your claim, and someone else comes along and claims it (and, particularly, improves it), then it doesn't matter that you were there first; that second person was not informed, and was acting in good faith. How you choose to indicate ownership is up to you. I would suggest signs, placed periodically along the border, with contact information for yourself or some third party who has the exact details of the claim. That way, someone coming across your property will see the sign and know that somewhere near that point is the border of your land, and will know who to contact to find out the exact location of the border. There are also issues of abandonment. If someone comes across that border, and the signs have clearly not been maintained in many years, and he tries to contact you using the information on the signs, but cannot find you, he might reasonably assume that you have abandoned your claim, and claim the property for himself. So I would further recommend that you have some way of indicating that your claim is current, by making sure that the contact information is usable, and maybe even having a date on the sign, indicating that you had inspected that spot along your border at some particular date in the not-too-distant past. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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