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NHArticleTen
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"Imagine 20,000 libertarians... all within ARGUING distance of each other!"
heh, things in real life are a lot less fractious than they probably appear online.
Many of us drink with Powerchuter anytime we're both at the taproom, sometimes the same day we post pretty harsh stuff on teh interweb.
So there!
I would buy Rob a drink if we were at the Taproom at the same time, and perhaps he would reciprocate. Perhaps not, if he took seriously his idea of shunning certain people. (He's curiously selective in who he wants to shun, but I understand he doesn't talk IRL the way he does on teh innerwebz.) I wouldn't seek the office of sheriff in NH. The office is pretty weak compared to western states; the sheriff is pretty much restricted to running the jail and process serving, and sometimes contracting police coverage for small towns or unincorporated areas. Not that I'm interested in elected office, just responding to the suggestion. I'm also not interested in any government job as soon as I can get out of this one. I only took this one because a woman talked me into it; surely Rob understands what it's like to hook up with a crazy woman and try to keep her happy. Some of us have longer-term obligations that commit us to staying with undesirable jobs. I don't want this job. I shook Ron Paul's hand and asked him to eliminate it. Congratulations to Rob if he isn't obligated to keep insurance coverage that pays for chronic pre-existing conditions, something that isn't possible if I change jobs. If he'll pay the $33,000+ bill just for one single, recent, medical procedure, with a promise to pay any other uninsured medical bills if I change insurance plans, then I'll quit this job and move to NH tomorrow. Dear Kevin, While I understand you feel "entitled" to the loot and booty stolen from others to maintain "your" insurance to cover "conditions"... I also understand that as long as you maintain your current "employment" as a kidnapper and jailer of "political prisoners" you are part of the problem and not the solution... Sure it's hard to make the choice between life and death, with respect to some medical condition or another... But you've willingly made the choice to partake in the loot and booty stolen by the looters and their minions of bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries... Those "tax collectors" don't take "no" for an answer forever... And the ultimate threat escalation(to provide you and others with "your" "share" of the loot, booty, and "benefits") to continued resistance and refusal is murder... The jackboots and mercenaries will murder you if you refuse and/or resist... I know you want you and yours to continue to live...and have all the conveniences and cures that modern technology has discovered... But it comes at a grave cost...a very grave one indeed...as you ask the looter minions to continue to "harvest" loot and booty for you and yours... So... I might buy you a beer... And I might even explain how we can change the "face" of medicine and the health care industry overnight through the free market... Those high charges that you seek continued "insurance" for...are a result of a highly controlled market...definitely not the free market... I can guarantee you that, if I possess the knowledge of a highly effective cure/preventative for cancer(for example)...I'll go to my grave with it before I share it with the sheeple... Although...I might share it with a few select individuals... But, as it stands today...I would have to deny you... Please don't send your minions after me... I don't have any type of insurance... And... Much the same as John Galt...I've chosen to deny my labor and the products thereof...from the state... I've personally chosen to deny you that which you and your minions steal at threat of murder...for your loot, booty, and "benefits"... Finally... Unforgiven and unrepentant...I am... Sincerely www.democracyisnotfreedom.com |
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sj
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I'm committed to moving to NH as soon as possible. But I sincerely hope that I'm not joining with 20,000 people who are more interested in slamming fellow FSP members for being "less pure" libertarians than themselves as opposed to working with others for liberty in our lifetime  You're not. Don't worry. Whatever your stripe of liberty lover, you'll find them in the project, but we all get along just fine. The forums are deceptive in that way. Many of the most combative people on the forums aren't even actually in NH yet. |
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MaineShark
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Many of the most combative people on the forums aren't even actually in NH yet. Who? Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
We are not civilized because we are armed; we are armed because we are civilized..
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sj
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Many of the most combative people on the forums aren't even actually in NH yet. Who? Joe Formerly, me, for one.  Not going to name names otherwise. Not you, Joe. You're a combative person who is in NH  |
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MaineShark
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Formerly, me, for one. Not going to name names otherwise. Not you, Joe. You're a combative person who is in NH Darn tootin'. We're fighting for freedom, here. We ain't politely asking if it might perchance like to come over for some tea and crumpets... Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
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Formerly, me, for one. Not going to name names otherwise. Not you, Joe. You're a combative person who is in NH Darn tootin'. We're fighting for freedom, here. We ain't politely asking if it might perchance like to come over for some tea and crumpets... Joe Yes we are... Some more "intensely" than others... www.nakednews.com |
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Formerly, me, for one. Not going to name names otherwise. Not you, Joe. You're a combative person who is in NH Darn tootin'. We're fighting for freedom, here. We ain't politely asking if it might perchance like to come over for some tea and crumpets... Joe Yeah, sometimes we (me too) fight with the wrong people though...i.e., the people on the forums trying to find out if NH is right for them. |
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Yeah, sometimes we (me too) fight with the wrong people though...i.e., the people on the forums trying to find out if NH is right for them. NH isn't right for everyone. As I've said, this isn't the "NH has a population problem - let's get random individuals to move here in droves" project. Those who want to send thugs with guns because their neighbor's dog is barking are the problem, not the solution... Joe |
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Yeah, sometimes we (me too) fight with the wrong people though...i.e., the people on the forums trying to find out if NH is right for them. I concur. |
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Yeah, sometimes we (me too) fight with the wrong people though...i.e., the people on the forums trying to find out if NH is right for them. NH isn't right for everyone. As I've said, this isn't the "NH has a population problem - let's get random individuals to move here in droves" project. Those who want to send thugs with guns because their neighbor's dog is barking are the problem, not the solution... Joe The reality is that we are all part of the problem to some degree. No one I've ever encountered is immaculate in this regard. I'm still waiting to meet the person who does not in some way participate in, support or benefit from government robbery. There may be a hermit living out there somewhere who does not drive on tax supported roads or buy food containing ingredients made with the help of agricultural subsidies, but I'm still looking for him or her. The greatest libertarian thinkers of the last two centuries were mostly professors at state sponsored universities. I guess that makes Murray Rothbard a "looter". If Ron Paul got his education at a government subsidized college, should we brand him a "thug"? I think not! The truth is that we all voluntarily contribute to the State in some way. We can argue vigorously about which of us is struggling against tyranny with the most "intensity", and I'm sure the tyrants of this world would love it if we did so more. But instead, I think we would be far more productive if we focused our efforts on just getting liberty minded folks to NH and limiting government to its constitutionally mandated functions. Shunning people because they don't meet some arbitrary standard of libertarian purity is just self defeating and a recipe for failure IMHO. |
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MaineShark
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The reality is that we are all part of the problem to some degree. No one I've ever encountered is immaculate in this regard. I'm still waiting to meet the person who does not in some way participate in, support or benefit from government robbery. There may be a hermit living out there somewhere who does not drive on tax supported roads or buy food containing ingredients made with the help of agricultural subsidies, but I'm still looking for him or her. The greatest libertarian thinkers of the last two centuries were mostly professors at state sponsored universities. I guess that makes Murray Rothbard a "looter". If Ron Paul got his education at a government subsidized college, should we brand him a "thug"? I think not! The truth is that we all voluntarily contribute to the State in some way.
We can argue vigorously about which of us is struggling against tyranny with the most "intensity", and I'm sure the tyrants of this world would love it if we did so more. But instead, I think we would be far more productive if we focused our efforts on just getting liberty minded folks to NH and limiting government to its constitutionally mandated functions. Shunning people because they don't meet some arbitrary standard of libertarian purity is just self defeating and a recipe for failure IMHO. I have never voluntarily supported the government. Ever. And no, driving on the roads is not support. Neither is paying taxes under duress. To support them, you would have to choose to contract with them. My only interactions with them are under duress. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
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NHArticleTen
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The reality is that we are all part of the problem to some degree. No one I've ever encountered is immaculate in this regard. I'm still waiting to meet the person who does not in some way participate in, support or benefit from government robbery. There may be a hermit living out there somewhere who does not drive on tax supported roads or buy food containing ingredients made with the help of agricultural subsidies, but I'm still looking for him or her. The greatest libertarian thinkers of the last two centuries were mostly professors at state sponsored universities. I guess that makes Murray Rothbard a "looter". If Ron Paul got his education at a government subsidized college, should we brand him a "thug"? I think not! The truth is that we all voluntarily contribute to the State in some way.
We can argue vigorously about which of us is struggling against tyranny with the most "intensity", and I'm sure the tyrants of this world would love it if we did so more. But instead, I think we would be far more productive if we focused our efforts on just getting liberty minded folks to NH and limiting government to its constitutionally mandated functions. Shunning people because they don't meet some arbitrary standard of libertarian purity is just self defeating and a recipe for failure IMHO. I have never voluntarily supported the government. Ever. And no, driving on the roads is not support. Neither is paying taxes under duress. To support them, you would have to choose to contract with them. My only interactions with them are under duress. Joe chime |
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Yeah, sometimes we (me too) fight with the wrong people though...i.e., the people on the forums trying to find out if NH is right for them. NH isn't right for everyone. As I've said, this isn't the "NH has a population problem - let's get random individuals to move here in droves" project. Those who want to send thugs with guns because their neighbor's dog is barking are the problem, not the solution... Joe This also isn't the anarcho-capitalist project or the purist-atheist project. I get sick of minarchists and religious folks getting tarred and feathered on this forum sometimes. We're going to need all kinds of people to reach out to those very same types of natives. It's the " maximum role of government..." |
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MaineShark
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This also isn't the anarcho-capitalist project or the purist-atheist project. What happens when the atheists and the agnostics go to war? The atheists charge down the hill with spears and swords, yelling, "there is no god!" The agnostics charge up the hill with spears and swords, yelling, "well, there might be!" (I can't take credit for that one, but being an agnostic, I find it amusing) I get sick of minarchists and religious folks getting tarred and feathered on this forum sometimes. We're going to need all kinds of people to reach out to those very same types of natives.
It's the "maximum role of government..." Yes, and oppressing your neighbor because his dog is barking is well beyond that maximum. Someone who believes that is acceptable behavior cannot honestly sign the SOI, because he believes that the government's role is quite a bit beyond that maximum. Joe |
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"An armed society is a polite society" - this does not mean that we are polite because we fear each other.
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I get sick of minarchists and religious folks getting tarred and feathered on this forum sometimes. We're going to need all kinds of people to reach out to those very same types of natives.
It's the "maximum role of government..." Yes, and oppressing your neighbor because his dog is barking is well beyond that maximum. Someone who believes that is acceptable behavior cannot honestly sign the SOI, because he believes that the government's role is quite a bit beyond that maximum. Joe Well... If the role of government is partly to protect property, that would include trespass. Trespass can be accomplished in many ways, including by chemical substances, smell or noise pollution. It's been accepted for over 1,000 years that a "nuisance" (e.g., a person having a pig farm that stinks right beside your perfume shop) is a trespass and the person committing the trespass must either stop doing it or compensate the victim. A noise problem can also be a trespass. I think that the government taking care of that falls within the SOI. |
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