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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 01:38:16 pm »

Wow, excellent!

For marketing purposes, could you sum up in one simple sentence the effect that FSP movers had on the election?  If you had 10 seconds in an elevator to explain it, what would you say?
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 02:24:00 pm »

Interesting

Where did you get the info on how many FSP members are currently in Grafton? How many do you think there are? I think there are about 2400 people in Grafton, with a chunk that are not around during the winter and probably do not vote here(they head back to the big cities after the beautiful leaves are gone).

I would say that there are around 15 who have moved here. I don't know how many of the people we hang out with were signed up with the FSP before the vote ... or who have since joined as "pioneers", so I don't know how we all fit in the official FSP categories. :) I would guess your 1% number is pretty close.

Most of the people we know through the FSP voted ... most of them also voted for Ron Paul. I don't know how much they effected other voters in town. Many that voted for him, would have done so, even without any influence from us newbies.

For those of us trying to influence others to vote "nobody", we were a little disappointed that more than 500,000 people showed up to vote in the political parties primary this time around. I prefer 5% turnout numbers myself.  ;D So we must not have had much impact.

You mentioned a town called Richmond ... I don't know anyone from there ... or even where it is. :-[

Wentworth of course has great Ron Paul activists and decent flinty new englanders like Grafton. :)

BTW I have not met anyone who perceived Ron Paul as an economic isolationist, for good or bad. I met people who liked him because he wanted to shrink the government alot, make it follow the constitution, and/or wants to get rid of the IRS. But I do spend a lot of time around gun-toting, backwoods hicks and not sophisticated (meant in all the worst possible ways), big city folks.

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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 02:35:55 pm »

Russ, I voted for 'nobody'. Even campaigned for them.
It created quite a stir around the holidays, as the family went in several directions.

I figure if we have a dozen plus ding-dongs that don't even know what the limited authority that is granted to the office their seeking is. Why bother?
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 03:35:02 pm »

Wow, excellent!

For marketing purposes, could you sum up in one simple sentence the effect that FSP movers had on the election?  If you had 10 seconds in an elevator to explain it, what would you say?

Every additional Free Stater in a town resulted in 2.5 more votes for Ron Paul in that same town.
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 03:40:36 pm »


Where did you get the info on how many FSP members are currently in Grafton?

Just our records of where people are located in the participant database. Obviously, the participant database has some info wrong, because some movers have never updated their profiles on the website. That probably doesn't affect the results, though (I can give technical details if interested :)).

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Most of the people we know through the FSP voted ... most of them also voted for Ron Paul. I don't know how much they effected other voters in town. Many that voted for him, would have done so, even without any influence from us newbies.

That's true - and I find that an average town with no Free Staters would give about 7% of the vote to Ron Paul. But having Free Staters gives Ron Paul a higher percentage of the vote in that town. If there were no Free Staters in any of NH, it is probable that RP's vote share would have been much lower than 7%, because Free Staters influence people in other towns (so even a town without Free Staters benefits to some, unknowable degree from Free Stater influence).

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You mentioned a town called Richmond ... I don't know anyone from there ... or even where it is. :-[

It's in your county! On the Mass border, next to Winchester.

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BTW I have not met anyone who perceived Ron Paul as an economic isolationist, for good or bad. I met people who liked him because he wanted to shrink the government alot, make it follow the constitution, and/or wants to get rid of the IRS. But I do spend a lot of time around gun-toting, backwoods hicks and not sophisticated (meant in all the worst possible ways), big city folks.

Yeah... My colleagues think RP is just a slimmer version of Pat Buchanan, though.  :-\ It's possible many other "white collar" types think the same.
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 08:34:21 pm »

It's in your county! On the Mass border, next to Winchester.

Richmond is in Cheshire county.
Russell lives in Grafton county.
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 09:00:47 pm »

Just our records of where people are located in the participant database. Obviously, the participant database has some info wrong, because some movers have never updated their profiles on the website. That probably doesn't affect the results, though (I can give technical details if interested :)).

It's in your county! On the Mass border, next to Winchester.

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Our info is old .... there are 3 more of us in Grafton now.

How can I forget? Richmond is an unusual place (in a good pro Ron Paul way) ... we had some IRS protestors join us from that town ... I also looked into the YMCA camp there for Porcfest ... but I hardly ever go there because their convenience store didn't have any room for our paper.

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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 11:23:56 pm »

It's in your county! On the Mass border, next to Winchester.

Richmond is in Cheshire county.
Russell lives in Grafton county.

Ohhh, I thought he was in Keene. I must be out of the loop.  :-[
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 12:09:28 pm »

Yeah, you really have to LIVE here to know what's going on (wink wink).  In order to see the Ron Paul campaign, you would really have to participate in the New Hampsha' primary (hint hint).  It would help a lot more to see things in person (ahem!) and to actually talk to people here and ask who they're voting for and why.

The numbers don't really explain things here as well as first hand experience.  You really have to be here doing stuff to understand the FSP.  Studying a bunch of numbers from some ivory tower somewhere doesn't really give you a feel for what's going on here in New Hampsha.

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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 01:24:01 pm »

Yeah, you really have to LIVE here to know what's going on (wink wink).  In order to see the Ron Paul campaign, you would really have to participate in the New Hampsha' primary (hint hint).  It would help a lot more to see things in person (ahem!) and to actually talk to people here and ask who they're voting for and why.

The numbers don't really explain things here as well as first hand experience.  You really have to be here doing stuff to understand the FSP.  Studying a bunch of numbers from some ivory tower somewhere doesn't really give you a feel for what's going on here in New Hampsha.

What are you trying to say there, Max?  ::)

IIRC, you predicted more than 20% for Ron Paul in NH. I said 10% would be a great result. You have your finger on the pulse, all right.
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 09:20:45 am »

It's in your county! On the Mass border, next to Winchester.

Richmond is in Cheshire county.
Russell lives in Grafton county.

Ohhh, I thought he was in Keene. I must be out of the loop.  :-[
Probably didn't update his profile ;D
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Re: Free Staters' Impact on the New Hampshire Primary
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 09:21:36 am »

Russ, I voted for 'nobody'. Even campaigned for them.
It created quite a stir around the holidays, as the family went in several directions.

I figure if we have a dozen plus ding-dongs that don't even know what the limited authority that is granted to the office their seeking is. Why bother?


I wanted to campaign for them, but, they didn't return my calls
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