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Topic: LP: 5000 member drive (Read 14440 times)
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thegotoguy
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They focused a lot of national attention on certain races in the last election cycle, like Frank Gonzalez in Florida. He did very well as a 3rd party candidate, and in 2006 he's probably going to run with the endorsement of the Democrats in his district. With libertarians and Democrats supporting him, he may be able to actually win.
Frank is a member of the Democratic Freedom Caucus a grassroots organization to return the DP to the ideals of Jefferson, Jackson and other populist (anti-monopolist) libertarians interested in EQUAL freedom. So the Tina Turner Republicans have their counterparts in the Democrat party, as well. Hit me again, Ike! |
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Greenbacks
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They focused a lot of national attention on certain races in the last election cycle, like Frank Gonzalez in Florida. He did very well as a 3rd party candidate, and in 2006 he's probably going to run with the endorsement of the Democrats in his district. With libertarians and Democrats supporting him, he may be able to actually win.
Frank is a member of the Democratic Freedom Caucus a grassroots organization to return the DP to the ideals of Jefferson, Jackson and other populist (anti-monopolist) libertarians interested in EQUAL freedom. So the Tina Turner Republicans have their counterparts in the Democrat party, as well. Hit me again, Ike! the original Democratic Party was founded by Jefferson - no? |
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thegotoguy
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I don't know. Some members of both parties claim Jefferson as their own.
It really doesn't matter. My point is that true conservatives have no real power within the GOP and true liberals have no real power within the DNC. Libertarians have no real power in either party. Yet, many of them keep going back to the major parties like battered women and they never learn.
At least libertarians have a reasonably organized third party to join. Greens/leftists only have the Green Party, conservatives have the Constitution party. The LP looks like an 800 pound gorilla compared to those 2 operations.
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« Last Edit: June 23, 2005, 04:44:25 pm by thegotoguy »
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FTL_Ian
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I'm with you on that, MS.  |
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citizen_142002
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Some people here need to check their egos. The LP is a national party. It exists to give libertarians all over the United States a political voice. There are libertarians in other states who care about where they live and they would rather fight long odds to bring freedom to their state than ditch home and come to New Hampshire.
I give every free stater a lot of credit for uprooting and coming to the granite state to pursue freedom, but there are other places in the world where people are seeking freedom.
I think that the LP ought to endorse the FSP, but I also think that LP is an organization that deserves support. The GOP and DNC are not liberty friendly parties, and any action through them is likely to lead to undue compromise. I have heard two arguments that are not consistent. One is that the LP is too radical, which is an odd argument coming from a porcupine. The other is that the LP is too bureaucratic, which I take to mean it is not dedicated enough.
The LP is not perfect, but its objectives dovetail very well with the FSP.
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FTL_Ian
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I do support the LP with volunteer time, but I'd consider supporting them financially again if they supported the FSP more. I publicly announced witholding any future funds from the LP. The reason I am witholding is because the LP has gotten away from principles. (I did contribute to Badnarik's campaign, as he is not the LP.)
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Greenbacks
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I don't know. Some members of both parties claim Jefferson as their own.
It really doesn't matter. My point is that true conservatives have no real power within the GOP and true liberals have no real power within the DNC. Libertarians have no real power in either party. Yet, many of them keep going back to the major parties like battered women and they never learn.
At least libertarians have a reasonably organized third party to join. Greens/leftists only have the Green Party, conservatives have the Constitution party. The LP looks like an 800 pound gorilla compared to those 2 operations.
doesn't it seem obvious to you (it does to me) that uniting liberty oriented people in a way that pulls equally from both major parties to completely nullify the spoiler effect is the logical choice? |
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UCCO2004
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I have been a supporter of the Libertarian Party for the last ten years. With the exception of 1998, when orthodox Objectivists temporarily convinced me to stop supporting the LP financially, I have supported not only the LP but other organizations such as the Advocates for Self-Government.
I think that the Free State Project would benefit greatly if the official LP website linked to this website, but I also think that FSPers should also be LPers. There is no sense in supporting either the Republican Liberty Caucus or the Democratic Freedom Caucus: they sanction the arrogant statism exemplified by Demopublican politicians, from Harry Truman to Bush Jr.
Finally, I think that introducing people to Libertarianism, such as with Operation Politically Homeless or the World's Smallest Political Quiz, is essential to the success of any Libertarian endeavor, from the Free State Project to the Free Nation Foundation.
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FTL_Ian
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Too bad the national LP doesn't see it that way.  |
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ThomasPaine
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There is no sense in supporting either the Republican Liberty Caucus or the Democratic Freedom Caucus: they sanction the arrogant statism exemplified by Demopublican politicians, from Harry Truman to Bush Jr.
Why not have the RLC and DFC agree to a slate of joint policies and then together support candidates in the both primaries who endorse their joint policies and then go their seperate ways in the general election? This would be a counter power strategy as opposed to the LP. TeePee |
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Dave Mincin
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Hey TeePee, Pretty obvious to me you are not in NH. There is no DLC?  ? ??? The Dem's have attacked and fought us at every turn. At least in NH the DLC is a figment of someones imagination! ::) At least in my experience the Dem's are about hey, I have all the answers, so just do what I say! Sound framiliar?  Oh yea, just curious, are you about freedom? If so, just curious, why are you hidden? |
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Please join us! http://www.nhliberty.org/ New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. " A leader knows that if he is generous with his time, his people will be generous with their effort." Plug>>>>Realtor Lovejoy Real Estate! |
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lloydbob1
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The Democrats in NH are, mainly, overwhelmed with registering non-resident college students and out of state (Mass) people to vote for them in NH.
In the libertarian world, the FSP is the LP's biggest competitor.
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freedom's ideologue
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With all due respect, Dave, that isn't fair. The DFC numbers are too small to make an impact right now, as best as I can tell. Bill Grennon tells me that his problem has been winning Democrats over to the side of liberty when they are only preoccupied with running "Republican-lite" candidates so they can get power; thus they eschew "radicals". I don't think the DFC is opposing you. If anything, the RLC needs to look within themselves to find their problems. The accolades they have thrown on Sununu have been reproachful. The RLC seems to think that Sununu is a character in their wet dream. Well, he's a character in my nightmare. Until the RLC stops awarding statists with accolades, they are going to find true lovers of liberty opposing them, regardless of whether that friend of liberty calls himself a Democrat, Republican, or Libertarian.
Caleb
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We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done. - Jean Luc Picard
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Rocketman
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Laney, do you realize you're replying to a thread that is over 2 years old? |
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5/13/06: I'M HOME!!!!!!!!! #401!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dreepa
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Laney, do you realize you're replying to a thread that is over 2 years old? 2006 - 2005 = 1 year. yeah I know you were an English Major.  |
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