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Should the FSP commission a vote for a second free state?
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Topic: second free state project (Read 107124 times)
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lloydbob1
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NV would be horrible.
ID or AK would be ok. THose would have been my vote had I been in the FSP back then. However I joined after they picked NH and moved from CA like many others (I can think of at least 25 movers from the left coast).
I think that the FSP is NH.. if people want to start another western FSP thing... fine with me.
This is an appropriate post on this thread... Very respectful and objective... Yes. It is the thread that is inappropriate  |
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NHArticleTen
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The Free State Project's only goal is to recruit activists to move to New Hampshire. The Free State Project currently has a LOT of open volunteer positions. We need people to step up and help out, as we lack the volunteer resources to effectively recruit people to New Hampshire.
It is not in the interest of Coca Cola to try to sell Pepsi's products. They compete. Other projects for other states exist, and their proponents are welcome to post here so long as they are civil. That's probably more than the soda companies would do.
WTF? Statists are the enemy, not other freedom movements! No wonder we're losing all our freedom when liberty lovers view other liberty lovers as "competition" instead of focusing on the true enemy. This... |
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lloydbob1
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Yup
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libertyjunkie
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I came to this thread because I'm VERY interested and motivated to be a part of a free state project—enough to deal with the climate, but have had to question NH's viability recently. I was very disappointed to see NH vote for two fascist leaders, while Ron Paul did much better even in Nevada, Louisiana, and Maine (+ more tomorrow??) I'm also troubled by the mass inflow of socialist politics from Mass, which may outpace this project and minimize it's impact.
That said, I'd like to add three things to this thread:
1) No two liberty movements should be enemy. Period.
2) The trolling here is a MAJOR turnoff for me. If you don't like maxx's suggestion or feel it would be more appropriate in another category, fine. But all of this criticism without useful critique is lame.
3) If there is still momentum for a free state project in a state with good weather, I am indeed very interested whether it is part of this project or a separate project. Regardless, the two movements must benefit from each other's existence rather than alienate one another
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maxxoccupancy
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Thanks for the addition. A lot of folks have been turned off by the trolling and such. I have just learned to ignore those individuals. If they don't make the move, or they don't do anything when they get here, it devalues their statements even more. Dennis Goddard trolls, but he also busts his ass as much as any porc, so he's earned the right.
There was a discussion some time ago (lost the link) about an alternate fsp. Lots of strong arguments were made for and against. Unfortunately, the selection of two small states was not available to the membership as an option, nor were options like Nevada or Belize, or even Puerto Rico. There was a case to be made for each one, but these issues were never allowed to go up for a vote.
I think that it's still fair game for discussion--on this forum or any other--but I think that there ought to be a dedicated Child Board for handling the matter.
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pledgebank.com/Next1000 Now 193 signers!
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J’raxis 270145
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I was very disappointed to see NH vote for two fascist leaders, while Ron Paul did much better even in Nevada, Louisiana, and Maine (+ more tomorrow??) This only shows we’ve a lot of work to do. New Hampshire is the freest state, but it’s not free yet. I'm also troubled by the mass inflow of socialist politics from Mass, which may outpace this project and minimize it's impact. This is more empty rumour than fact. A lot of the people leaving Massachusetts are fleeing that state’s politics. |
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maxxoccupancy
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Bottom line is that we have 1.2 million folks to reach. I think that we can do this by re-examining the environmental movement. They put together a well organized educational campaign, have been on tv a lot, written lots of articles, and put forward a lot of really good speakers. They have a large block of actively involved swing voters. They not only participate in both party primaries, but run as candidates. They have been actively working to influence both parties platforms and voting records.
While they haven't won any friends by laying down in the middle of the freeway to block traffic or by promoting some bad policies, they have accomplished a lot. There have been some major improvements in air and water quality, and most of what they wanted to do has been implemented in some way.
Point being, that if we can get more folks to sign the Next 1,000 and the SoI here, if we can get more people to move and get more locals involved with these projects, we really can get most of this stuff done. We might not be able to make all of our public schools 100% tuition funded, but we may be able to enact the education tax credit. We may not be able to decriminalize all drugs or privatize every service, but we are making progress; and the more we accomplish, the more support we get. The more we win, the more people get involved. WE focus a lot on getting people to move in, but I've had a pretty easy time getting people interested in NHLA work.
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pledgebank.com/Next1000 Now 193 signers!
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TEBON
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I was very disappointed to see NH vote for two fascist leaders, while Ron Paul did much better even in Nevada, Louisiana, and Maine (+ more tomorrow??) This only shows we’ve a lot of work to do. New Hampshire is the freest state, but it’s not free yet. I'm also troubled by the mass inflow of socialist politics from Mass, which may outpace this project and minimize it's impact. This is more empty rumour than fact. A lot of the people leaving Massachusetts are fleeing that state’s politics. I partially disagree with you on the Masshole factor. As a masshole, I've lived around these type of liberals. I call them liberals that want it all. . . they want the liberty to not pay taxes. They don't want to pay taxes. . . but it's completely fine for everyone else to pay taxes. These are the people that bitch about Target going in at the intersection of 107/Route 1 in Seabrook. While the libertarians of the town want to company to help pay for the infrastructure around the project (since the citizens shouldn't have to pay for it). . . the liberal types moving up from Peabody and Boston want these big businesses to build elsewhere. . . because they're evil. these are the types that move here, and then want trash pickup for free. More welfare allowances. They want big business everywhere except where they live. They hate the fact that their neighbors have guns, because guns are evil too. I will agree with you, there are liberty lovers and other republicans who are sickened by the state. . .and yes, they're moving en masse. . .but I fear they're moving slower than the idiot liberal types. I'll end with a quote from two former friends talking about the liberty movement in NH. "we'll move here first, and then tax the shit out of them so that they'll go away. There are more liberals in MA than there are Libertarians in NH, if even a small amount move here we'll be able to run the government and start the process of making NH into a CIVILIZED STATE" yeah that's why they're former friends |
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maxxoccupancy
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We should publicly expose these government lovers for what they are. Better yet, we should get everyone to carry openly, and scare these guys off. We also need to enlist the locals and get some kind of anti-tax idiot movement going. We need to recruit faster than the commies can migrate. If we can boost voter turnout and discourage the tax loving gun haters, we can beat these people back.
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pledgebank.com/Next1000 Now 193 signers!
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JasonPSorens
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I came to this thread because I'm VERY interested and motivated to be a part of a free state project—enough to deal with the climate, but have had to question NH's viability recently. I was very disappointed to see NH vote for two fascist leaders, while Ron Paul did much better even in Nevada, Louisiana, and Maine (+ more tomorrow??) I'm also troubled by the mass inflow of socialist politics from Mass, which may outpace this project and minimize it's impact.
You have to distinguish between caucuses and primaries. In caucuses turnout is vastly lower, so Ron Paul does better there since his supporters are more likely to turn out than other candidates'. NH will in the end have the highest Ron Paul votes as a percentage of eligible voting population of all states, and the highest percentage of actual votes for all primary states, I predict. |
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Audio signature (MP3) "Experience has shown that it is difficult, if not impossible, for a populous state to be run by good laws." --Aristotle, The Politics
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Denis Goddard
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NH will in the end have the highest Ron Paul votes as a percentage of eligible voting population of all states, and the highest percentage of actual votes for all primary states, I predict.
Once the primaries are largely over, I would really appreciate an analysis from you to see if this prediction holds true. If it does, I will want to put it front-and-center of the FSP webpage. Thank you Jason! |
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Russell Kanning
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Maybe adding another state to the FSP is the wrong way to go and instead, we need to create a sister project that provides people in the west and midwest with a western equivalent of NH. I could put much effort into something like this.
That sounds wonderful ... maybe you could even build a website for that project and plan the effort there.  |
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lloydbob1
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maxxoccupancy
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I meant to state this elsewhere, but probably left it out of this thread. I think that the euro fsp would have been successful is we had set up some sort of child board for them on this website. It would be much easier to exchange info and learn from eachother. Likewise, I've suggested spinning off a second child board here for a western/alternate fsp. Who knows, maybe we bundle both efforts together in Belize, or some such thing. Can't make in to NH? Try Belize.
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pledgebank.com/Next1000 Now 193 signers!
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Jon Maltz
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Why should Coke's forum have a child board advocating Pepsi? Competition is all well and good, but our interest is in creating liberty in NH. The entire point of Jason's essay is that liberty fails because too few of us are too spread out. By concentrating our efforts in one state we stand a better chance at achieving liberty in our lifetime. There are several western projects that I know of and I hope they achieve something. I think our chances are better in NH than any of those states, so here is where I put my effort.
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