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Topic: So... how's the new site coming? (Read 15783 times)
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Justin
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IIRC the new site was supposed to be up before Oct 1st.
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« Last Edit: October 15, 2003, 12:01:51 pm by Justin »
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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot
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Kelton
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IIRC the new site was supposed to be up before Oct 1st.
That is news to me, but I do know that it is going slow. We have some talented people working on it with what time they have, much of the work so far has been behind-the-scenes work, such as updating databases and changing a few elements of the website structure. Jason Sorens has been the one most involved with Stephen Cobb, Tom Parker and Matt Cheselka on this endeavor, and Jason has been working with them right up through last night and has left it all in their hands at this point. I will let you know as soon as I get some updates. It has been a strong desire among most, if not all of the directors to project a New Hampshire -oriented image that also incorporates elements of our diverse, even multicultural membership but strenghtens our common desire for a limited government that incorporates libertarian philosophy. How's that? (my words, based on a few discussions, not theirs). Of course, even after we've made some changes, the website remains a work-in-progress. |
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. . .the foundations of our national policy should be laid in private morality. If individuals be not influenced by moral principles, it is in vain to look for public virtue --The U.S. Senate's reply to George Washington's first inaugural address
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Eric
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So that's where all of the work has been happening.... The fsp_website email list has been mostly dead for some time now.
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Justin
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Ahhh... the pungent whiff of bureaucracy... gotta love it.
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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot
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FTL_Ian
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Can we have a ETA or a release date for the new site? Let's set a goal, people.
Regards,
Ian
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Kelton Baker
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Can we have a ETA or a release date for the new site? Let's set a goal, people.
Ahhh... the pungent whiff of bureaucracy... gotta love it.
I hear your complaints, I realize this is frustrating, but please also realize that most of what is slowing us down is dependency on volunteer help; not that the people are not highly talented and capable, just that they do this with what free time they can donate. Also realize that people who have been volunteering a lot of time and efforts just to maintain the website are now being asked to do that PLUS do some extra work to update the site. I am completely in favor of spending more funds on this website, because this has been central to the FSP efforts, and it will only continue to be important as we increase the membership and gain more exposure. Right now, however, I'm just being patient, a lot of work on the website is not visible, most of it is just organizing and updating stuff accumulated over the last couple of years since we have been online. |
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Give me some men who are stout-hearted men Who will fight for the right they adore. Start me with ten, who are stout-hearted men And I'll soon give you ten thousand more...--O. Hammerstein
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FTL_Ian
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I voluntarily administer the http://sarasotalibertarians.org website, and I've never had a problem telling someone when I'll have a job done. Maybe it's just me, but it seems setting a goal gets things done much quicker. Regards, Ian |
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Justin
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I hear your complaints, I realize this is frustrating, but please also realize that most of what is slowing us down is dependency on volunteer help; not that the people are not highly talented and capable, just that they do this with what free time they can donate.
Also realize that people who have been volunteering a lot of time and efforts just to maintain the website are now being asked to do that PLUS do some extra work to update the site.
Sorry, but that's B.S. There were numerous talented individuals that offered up their time only to have the tech leadership (or maybe the BoD) drop the ball. 1If you want stuff done you (the BoD) need to appoint people who have the ability (both skill and time) to do it. List of "dropped balls": - Updated website: Could have been knocked out in a week (how do I know? Cuz I already started on it when I was told to stop.)
- Updated sign-up process: Already completed, awaited BoD response for weeks, treated like crap once it was looked at
- Improved Activist Activator: Multiple individuals began work only to have the BoD shoot down whatever ideas they came up with
- Ability for news items and other details to be added to the site by designated individuals without need for direct access to the server (security issue) and without the need for programming skill (minimizing critical-path), and preventing multiple people from over-writing eachother's work (problem has already occurred)
- Ability to automatically assign "FSP Member" to a forum profile when the person signs up
- Server security issues (a disaster waiting to happen)
- And so on....
*Every* attempt to improve/secure the web-presence of the FSP has been shot-down, stone-walled, or simply ignored. 1 For an example of the mismanagement go to the Yahoo group dedicated to updating our website. Note, by perusing the early posts, how many highly skilled volunteers were not utilized. |
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« Last Edit: October 17, 2003, 08:38:10 pm by Justin »
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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot
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FTL_Ian
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That blows, Justin. What can we do? The board of directors aren't elected, are they?
Regards,
Ian
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Kelton Baker
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I hear your complaints, I realize this is frustrating, but please also realize that most of what is slowing us down is dependency on volunteer help; not that the people are not highly talented and capable, just that they do this with what free time they can donate.
Also realize that people who have been volunteering a lot of time and efforts just to maintain the website are now being asked to do that PLUS do some extra work to update the site.
Sorry, but that's B.S. There were numerous talented individuals that offered up their time only to have the tech leadership (or maybe the BoD) drop the ball. 1If you want stuff done you (the BoD) need to appoint people who have the ability (both skill and time) to do it. My intention was not to B.S., just to give an answer with the best information I have, which is not much, so I am very glad that you pointed out all of these opportunities to change things. I am coming into this with practically no knowledge of any of these matters, I have relatively little skills to offer in web page development and so I never really paid much attention until this week when all of this responsibility became mine. Most of my debriefing on how to run this website came in the form of being sent a password, due to the rather sudden nature of me falling into this job. I spent most of Tuesday night just learning about these extra new 'special powers' of being an administrator of the forum, just to give an example of the learning curve I am facing in this new capacity, and that's just the technology side of it, I am also having to find who does what and when and how. Believe me, I place a high priority on having a professional website, I would like to see us have a top quality one, and I recognize that there is a lot of talent here to help do it, so please, keep sending me more suggestions, help me fix the problems that are keeping us grounded on this. I just requested to join the Yahoo group and find out more information, I'll get back with you there. |
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Give me some men who are stout-hearted men Who will fight for the right they adore. Start me with ten, who are stout-hearted men And I'll soon give you ten thousand more...--O. Hammerstein
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Justin
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I am coming into this with practically no knowledge of any of these matters, I have relatively little skills to offer in web page development and so I never really paid much attention until this week when all of this responsibility became mine.
Well, the first step to fixing this debacle is to realize you are not supposed to be directly responsible for the tech stuff, that's that the Technology Director is for. And when he lacks technical skills, he should be delegating and deferring to those who do. As of yet this has not occurred. so please, keep sending me more suggestions, help me fix the problems that are keeping us grounded on this.
Given the failures of leadership in the past it is unlikely anyone with skill will again attempt such frustrating efforts against what we percieve as apathy or incompetence. As I posted on the Yahoo group: Given the Member Profile application I wrote depends heavily upon pre-
existing personal infrastructure code, and given that I have no faith
in the abilities of those tasked with governing the web-presence of
the FSP, I hereby withdraw my offer to supply the FSP with any
products or services until such time as new technology leadership is
put in place.
I stand by that decision. |
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Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Diderot
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Elizabeth
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It would be nice if instead of Kelton apologizing for him, the Technical Director, Matt Cheselka, would actually come here and explain the various delays and inefficiencies he's caused. I know my emails to him go ignored and un-acknowledged... he also recently chastised someone who helps on the tech team for even responding to one of my emails. I'm persona non grata, for bringing up his abandonment of the website in our most crucial time of need, you see.
Is this leadership? Or this is simply someone who refuses to admit that he's failing miserably, and is willing to take down the FSP with him, rather than ask for help or turn his responsibilities over to people with more knowledge and more enthusiasm for the job?
I should add that Matt recently was elected Secretary. How much attention do you think the website will get now that he has one more task -- a MAJOR one -- on his plate?
And why won't the Board or Matt address these concerns publicly? Kelton, I appreciate your words, but WHERE IS THE GUY WHOSE RESPONSIBILTY THIS IS? I always addressed criticisms related to my job, and didn't shy away.... should he get away with any less?
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Mary Lou Seymour (libertymls)
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If you want stuff done you (the BoD) need to appoint people who have the ability (both skill and time) to do it. List of "dropped balls": - Updated website: Could have been knocked out in a week (how do I know? Cuz I already started on it when I was told to stop.)
Justin, WHO told you to stop? When as this? - Updated sign-up process: Already completed, awaited BoD response for weeks, treated like crap once it was looked at
OK, I have never HEARD of an "updated sign up process". When was this done, sent to the BOD, or whatever? Who looked at it and treated it like crap? Since I've never seen it, and have only been on the BOD a month, I assume this was when Eliz was on the BOD? Could you send me the info? - Improved Activist Activator: Multiple individuals began work only to have the BoD shoot down whatever ideas they came up with
Again, I have NO idea what you're referring to (I do recall the AA, but who on the BOD "shot down" their ideas, and, when? - Ability for news items and other details to be added to the site by designated individuals without need for direct access to the server (security issue) and without the need for programming skill (minimizing critical-path), and preventing multiple people from over-writing eachother's work (problem has already occurred)
OK, I was under the impression the news articles were being posted in a timely manner by Tom. Is this not true? If not, please tell me specifically WHEN this problem occurred. - Ability to automatically assign "FSP Member" to a forum profile when the person signs up
This seems like a minor "fix". Have you suggested it & been told no? - Server security issues (a disaster waiting to happen)
- And so on....
*Every* attempt to improve/secure the web-presence of the FSP has been shot-down, stone-walled, or simply ignored. Well, I don't want to go "back in time" right now, I want to get this fixed NOW. Please provide me (or another Director) with the above info, and any other info you wish to be looked at, so we can review it before our mtg Sat. I'd really rather you email it to me, libertymls@freestateproject.org, if possible. Thanks |
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"A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation." L.Neil Smith
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Elizabeth
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If you want stuff done you (the BoD) need to appoint people who have the ability (both skill and time) to do it. List of "dropped balls": - Updated website: Could have been knocked out in a week (how do I know? Cuz I already started on it when I was told to stop.)
Justin, WHO told you to stop? When as this? Matt told him, on the FSP-website yahoo group. - Updated sign-up process: Already completed, awaited BoD response for weeks, treated like crap once it was looked at
OK, I have never HEARD of an "updated sign up process". When was this done, sent to the BOD, or whatever? Who looked at it and treated it like crap? Since I've never seen it, and have only been on the BOD a month, I assume this was when Eliz was on the BOD? Could you send me the info? Nope, it was only submitted to Matt, on the FSP-website yahoo group. And don't be disingenuous, you have seen everything the Board has seen since day one. - Improved Activist Activator: Multiple individuals began work only to have the BoD shoot down whatever ideas they came up with
Again, I have NO idea what you're referring to (I do recall the AA, but who on the BOD "shot down" their ideas, and, when? Again, all on the Yahoo group, and all by Matt. Etc., etc., etc. It's all there... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fsp_website/ |
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« Last Edit: October 21, 2003, 12:37:51 pm by Elizabeth »
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Radio
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So.... really, how is the new site coming along? Have replacements been found for Matt Cheselka? Is there some kind of deadline for updates? Will member counts resume? Are additional counts going to be added (e.g. number of FSP members in NH)?
I realize the volunteers in charge are very busy, so a simple "we're working on it, a comprehensive update will be available on xxx date" will suffice.
Thanks.
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