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VT Town SECEDING to NH? Second FSP Shadow Ad!
« on: January 09, 2004, 10:20:26 am »

Killington, N.H?

Welcome to Killington, N.H.

A plot is afoot in the central Vermont resort town to abandon Vermont and become part of New Hampshire.

Low-tax New Hampshire would never abuse the town through taxation the way Vermont does, said Killington Town Manager David Lewis.

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2004, 10:22:17 am »

Perhaps we could try to convince pro-liberty counties across the country, or across the world, to secede to New Hampshire!

Talk about a historic political strategy!  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2004, 10:38:12 am »

Hmmm... what if you tried to create a new state, with a new libertarian State Constitution, then tried to attract counties or towns throughout the country (or world) to secede to that NEW state?

It's an idea!  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2004, 11:03:15 am »

Just left a message with Killington's town managers office. His secretary was very happy to hear from an FSP member. I expect to hear back from him.

Killington is what is called a 'gold town' in Vermont property tax parlance. A large chunk of their local property taxes goes into what is called derisively 'the shark pool', to be spread around to the property poor towns for their schools. Gold towns have been fighting against the shark pool since it was instituted, arguing that poor towns will not use this money to increase school spending in poor towns, only to reduce their own spending, and this argument has been largely accurate.
Even when a gold town in vermont issues a bond for school construction, a portion of that must go to the shark pool, as must a portion of the tax money that goes to paying off the bond. This is merely a matter of poorly managed towns sponging off the good credit of well managed towns.
Beyond the school funding issue, there is Act 250, which established environmental courts in parallel to the regular court system, by which anyone can prevent you from developing your land. Killington Ski Area, the largest in the nation, has run up against Act 250 restrictions on development for years, and as the largest land owner in Killington Township, they are likely a bit supporter of secession.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2004, 11:11:12 am »

This is an excellent way to showcase the principle, stated in the Declaration of Independence, that any political subdivision may "throw off such [despotic] Government, and ... provide new Guards for their future security."

It is a pet project of mine to get included in the city charter where I live, and (more ambitiously) the state constitution, the explicit right of property owners to opt out of one city or county and, if they wish, join another that shares contiguous land.  This would give at least a modicum of competition in the provision of government.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2004, 11:11:12 am »

What are you going to say to him when you get him on the phone?

I wonder if we could use this as some sort of political strategy later on.  Statist towns can leave the state.  Free towns can join the state upon acceptance of our extensive limitations on government.  Sounds good to me!  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2004, 11:21:43 am »

What are you going to say to him when you get him on the phone?

I wonder if we could use this as some sort of political strategy later on.  Statist towns can leave the state.  Free towns can join the state upon acceptance of our extensive limitations on government.  Sounds good to me!  Smiley

I am going to tell him that we support what his town is doing, ask if they need any help, if there are any meetings they would like an FSP rep to appear at, and so forth. For example, VT has a lot of FSP and libertarian party members who can engage in letter writing campaigns to their own state reps and state senators in support of secession (they may need the approval of the state legislature).

I expect that this is a ploy simply to get some concessions from the state government. I'm fine with that too. I expect if the town gives up the effort when the state makes concessions, there will be at least a few die hards who will say "screw it, I'm moving to NH". Win-win for us either way.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2004, 11:29:33 am »

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Win-win for us either way.

Agreed!

This sounds like a good reason to spam the hell out of Vermont's 35 major newspapers in support of Killington's secession attempts, while simultaneously promoting the FSP, libertarianism, and while telling pro-liberty individuals to move to New Hampshire!!!   Shocked

I have the contact information of the Editors of all 35 Vermont newspapers, so let me know if and when you want it!   Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2004, 12:36:00 pm »

Please send me that contact info. Much appreciated.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2004, 12:37:13 pm »

What are you going to say to him when you get him on the phone?

I wonder if we could use this as some sort of political strategy later on.  Statist towns can leave the state.  Free towns can join the state upon acceptance of our extensive limitations on government.  Sounds good to me!  Smiley

Who knows?  The VT legislature may let us have Killington if we cede 'em Concord. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2004, 12:48:49 pm »

I’ve just spoken to Jim Maynard. We are going to use this opportunity to roll out the FSP’s second shadow advertisement.

Jim will prepare an ad to run in 1-3 local newspapers. We can then contact other VT newspapers to let them know what we are doing.

This is a choice opportunity. There are many freedom lovers in VT who have watched their state slide toward socialism. It is easier for them to commit to the FSP because the move is just across the state line.

Let’s take advantage of this opportunity. We’ll need people to do legwork and we’ll need donations to fund the ads.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2004, 01:01:44 pm »

Please send me that contact info. Much appreciated.

I have the e-mail addresses of all 35 major Vermont newspapers on my other computer.  I obtained this list by volunteering for Doug Racine's campaign for Governor of Vermont (Democrat).

It's funny how much you can learn and gain by volunteering for political campaigns for the major parties.

Excellent, Smithers.  *taps fingertips together*   Grin
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2004, 01:05:27 pm »

I’ve just spoken to Jim Maynard. We are going to use this opportunity to roll out the FSP’s second shadow advertisement.

Excellent.  I'm pretty busy with the Liberty Scholarship Fund right now but I'll do whatever I can to help!

I can help out with a $50 donation too if that is needed.  Just tell me where to send it or how I can spend this money on my own.

This is a choice opportunity. There are many freedom lovers in VT who have watched their state slide toward socialism. It is easier for them to commit to the FSP because the move is just across the state line.

THIS IS THE KEY HERE!  We learned well through the FSP vote that people seemed to want to move to states that were closer to them.  In that respect, most advertising and shadow advertising should be directed to states around New Hampshire as much as possible!
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2004, 01:06:57 pm »

This is going to be great..... The second phase of the shadow advertising program....

We are talking about running in 1-3 larger papers in Vermont, and as part of this program, the FSP will match any funds you folks donate towards the cause, so let us know how much you can donate!  The more you donate, the more advertising we can do, and any pledge you make to the FSP for this campaign is doubled! Cool

Thanks!

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2004, 01:13:51 pm »

Hey, I wonder if we could work this into the Channel 5 FSP special?

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