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JbbF

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Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« on: July 04, 2016, 08:25:26 pm »

On June 24th 2016 a bill was signed into law by governor Hassan criminalizing all interspecies sex (involving humans) in New Hampshire. This new law is irrational, speciesist, unjust, unethical, unconstitutional, and discriminatory for reasons I have discussed in the 2 topics linked to below. I am wondering if zoosexuals associated with the Free State Project should abandon New Hampshire and move to another state, because clearly the politicians of New Hampshire don't care about zoosexuals and view them with hatred, hostility, and animosity.

There are a number of disturbing aspects of this new law which are discriminatory and oppressive: criminalizing the "promotion" of interspecies sex involving humans (which amounts to violation of the 1st amendment), forcing caught zoosexuals to go onto the "sex offender" registry (extremely unjust and unethical), and prohibiting ANY sexual contact between a human and a non-human being (which amounts to speciesism, due to the fact it criminalizes interspecies sex, but ONLY when it involves a human).

So I'm wondering if zoosexuals who want to move to NH or are already living in it should abandon NH due to the bigotry and intolerance of NH's current politicians.

See these topics:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=28501.0
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=28648.0
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 09:34:53 pm »

Zoosexuals? I thought I heard of it all, guess not
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 10:05:45 pm »

How about we lower taxes, reduce regulation, take back natural rights;
and then maybe, later, take a principled stand for the minutia outlier proclivities?

Flags go up, ya know? like, gee, maybe this is baiting to find the people dumb enough to support this. (regardless of logical validity)
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JbbF

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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2016, 05:36:05 pm »

How about we lower taxes, reduce regulation, take back natural rights;
and then maybe, later, take a principled stand for the minutia outlier proclivities?

Flags go up, ya know? like, gee, maybe this is baiting to find the people dumb enough to support this. (regardless of logical validity)

This implies that it is OK to turn one's back on zoosexuals and let them suffer for decades while the government invades their lives with unjust "morality"-based laws seeking to oppress them, control them and ruin them. The decriminalization of zoosexuality (interspecies sex involving humans) in New Hampshire should be a top priority. One may argue that zoosexuality is "fringe", but that doesn't matter -- regardless of it's commonness, the new law in NH criminalizing ALL interspecies sex (involving humans) is still state-sponsored discrimination and is still a hate-based law designed to oppress zoosexuals. It violates the principle of "equality before the law" because it treats zoosexuals unfairly compared to the rest of the population -- consider for example that it's OK and legal to violate an animal's sexual autonomy by artificially inseminating it (without its consent), but when someone has ethical interspecies sex with a non-human being all of a sudden the person becomes a "monster" and a "criminal". And what about people who slaughter (murder) animals, without their consent? They're the real monsters, not zoosexuals.

Zoosexuality may seem "fringe", but it's actually pretty common, and the only reason it seems fringe is because zoosexuals tend to hide in "the closet" for their own safety, to protect themselves from bullying, harassment, and police prosecution -- meaning that it appears invisible to society. Let's say for the sake of argument that 3% of people in New Hampshire are zoosexual -- that means about 40,000 people are negatively affect by this unjust new law. 

If you want to talk about "dumbness", let's talk about the bigoted NH legislators, who were total ignorant assholes regarding this bill. Their arguments in favor of the bill were extremely flawed -- they compared non-human beings to young humans (a fallacy); they said if people have sex with non-humans it will be a "gateway drug" to violent crimes against humans (this is the "slippery slope" fallacy); they said non-human animals can't "consent" to sex with humans, which is a lie (and they ignored the fact that lots of legal things don't involve an animal's "consent", such as slaughter, hunting, spaying/neutering and artificial insemination); they said interspecies sex (involving humans) is "animal abuse" and "sexual assault" in all cases, which is a lie (they used flawed "studies" to back-up their prejudice); and they said that zoosexuality is inherently a "crime", which it is not.

There is no rational reason for the existence of this law unjustly criminalizing interspecies sex involing humans, and it's shameful and heartbreaking that the representatives of New Hampshire were so willing to turn their back on a sexual minority and persecute them. This law must be abolished -- it is state-sponsored discrimination, and it is an unconstitutional invasion into the private lives of ethical zoosexuals.
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2016, 09:55:42 pm »

Everyone has their pet issue, that they think is most important. ;)
I am not arguing the logical validity of the issue. I'm arguing that we should resist the active force and intrusion that makes the biggest impact.
Having to hide your sexual preference is nothing compared to having children stolen by armed thugs or being thrown in a cage for resisting arrest or recording in public.
btw, your logic that remaining silent is a form of endorsement, like not voting, doesn't work. There are times we can be pragmatic and remain principled.
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2016, 01:29:24 pm »

The injustice and unfairness (violation of due process and equality before the law) committed by the legislators of the state of NH upon zoosexuals needs to be confronted. When this unjust law takes effect on Jan 1 2017, there should be a lawsuit to overturn it and its bigotry.

Sex with non-humans is not "abuse", it is not "sexual assault", it is not "cruelty" -- these are anti-zoosexual propaganda terms. And also, how can they call it "abuse" when people are OK with artificially inseminating animals and murdering (slaughtering) them.
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2016, 07:14:07 pm »

What is the violation of due process?
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2016, 05:05:16 pm »

The new anti-zoosexual law in New Hampshire violates the due process rights of zoosexuals because it treats them unequally compared to other people. For example, humans are allowed to mutilate animal genitalia (spaying/neutering) and force them to perform artificial insemination, yet when a human has less harmful sex with an animal, suddenly it is a "crime". This does not follow the proper course of the law (lack of consistency), and the zoosexuals can't confront their accusers -- they're also being deprived of liberty and equal protection under the law due to the mentioned issues. Therefore this new law is morally wrong and should be gotten rid of.

If you live in New Hampshire, tell your state representative to create a bill repealing the new anti-zoosexual law. Or, if you have money, challenge the law in court and get it struck down. This new law banning interspecies sex is unjust and wrong. What I said works better for people who are not actually zoosexual, since they (non-zoos) wouldn't have anything to lose. Assholes like Katherine Rogers are getting away with discrimination with no opposition, and I'm tired of the apathy, complacency and inaction (in terms of getting rid of this new law).
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 06:19:24 pm »

Seems you are referring to the substantive aspect of the clause in the 14th amendment.

You have a valid point to be considered about equality and protection under the law. It is logically sound. Not sure you'll get anywhere using logic on government folk.


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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2016, 02:12:06 am »

Seems you are referring to the substantive aspect of the clause in the 14th amendment.

You have a valid point to be considered about equality and protection under the law. It is logically sound. Not sure you'll get anywhere using logic on government folk.

Well, something has to be done to reverse this terrible law. In other states where an anti-zoosexual law has been made, nothing has been done to reverse them, and I'm hoping that trend will stop with New Hampshire, and that someone or some organization will fight this bulls**t law in court.

Part of the problem is the sheer ignorance of politicians: in every case, whether it is Alabama, Ohio or New Hampshire, legislative bodies vote unanimously on bills that destroy the rights of zoosexual people, which is a disgrace. NH was no exception -- they voted unanimously on this terrible anti-zoosexual bill which became law in June 2016.

And there is a bad trend: every year, it seems a new state bans interspecies sex (involving humans): Alabama banned it in 2014, New Jersey banned it in 2015, and now NH banned it. There are only 9 states left with no anti-zoosexual laws. This needs to stop.

If the law stands and no one does anything to fight it or repeal it, zoosexuals will be stigmatized, oppressed, persecuted and (for those caught) have their non-human lovers stolen from them by police, be forced to pay the state money for their bigoted persecution efforts, be forced to go to jail, and be forced to go onto the NH sex offender registry.

I don't know about you, but this does not sound like "Live Free Or Die" to me.

For now, zoosexuals in NH are probably going to start fleeing the state due to the persecution of this law, and those who may have moved there (including to help FSP) may have second thoughts due to the bigotry and discrimination of this new law. Starting on January 1 2017, zoosexuals will no longer be safe living in NH, when they are stripped of their rights and wrongfully viewed as "criminals" by the state.

Someone ought to get in contact with the New Hampshire ACLU and tell them to fight the law in court. I tried contacting them but they never responded.

By the way, in the close-minded discussions on the bill earlier this year in New Hampshire, not ONCE was an attempt ever made by bigots like Katherine Rogers to see things from a zoosexual's point-of-view, or to involve zoosexuals in the discussion of this oppressive and unjust new law; instead, zoosexuals were treated as automatic "criminals" (prejudice) and therefore a violation of the 14th Amendment, as you mentioned. Plus there was lots of anti-zoo propaganda as well (witch-hunting), and the lie that zoosexual sex is "animal cruelty".
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Re: Anti-zoosexuality in New Hampshire
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2017, 03:20:02 pm »

The terrible, unjust, bigoted, unconstitutional ban on sex with non-human animals went into effect in NH at 12:01AM on January 1st 2017. This new law is not rational and should be repealed or struck down in court.
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